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Larsonaut 5th May 2010 08:28 AM

Volume of next (smaller) board...
 
Love to get some advise on what size makes sense for my next board.

I weigh approx. 90kg, 190cm, and am a reasonable intermediate - nail most but not all jibes, and love speed. Learning to bump n jump. Sail mostly off Cape Cod in waters that get pretty choppy in high wind, with rolling swells/chop but no breaking waves.

Current Rides:

Futura 133 that I rig with a 9.0 - 7.5 - 6.5
Kombat 105 rigged with 7.5 - 6.5 (happiest size) - 5.6 - 5.0 (board is not happy, unbalanced. Maybe the sail, maybe my size, I dunno, it just doesn't feel good with 5.0.)

I need something for those (rare) days calling for a 5.5 - 4.x where the K105 just gets unbalanced and knocked around.

Looking at the Kode 86, maybe 80, maybe...?

Curious what overlap in sale range makes sense. Is that the right thing to think about?

Board Spec Sale Range
Futura 133 6.0 - 9.5
Kombat 105 5.0 - 7.0

Kode 86 4.0 - 6.0
Kode 80 3.5 - 5.5
Kode 74 3.3 - 5.3

Would the Kode 86 be my best choice, or would I get more range and not give much up to go with the K80? Or hell, the K74....?

Or an iSonic?

Thanks for your thoughts and advise!

agrelon 5th May 2010 10:23 AM

In <5.5m wind you're probably going to want to jump, so I think the Kode 80 would probably be better than an iSonic 86 in that respect. Also, the inboard straps will probably afford you more control. For you, this board will be a full on sinker, so it'll definitely be reserved for high winds.

That's the one I would choose, maybe the SB team would recommend something different.

Cheers.

agrelon 5th May 2010 10:25 AM

In <5.5m wind you're probably going to want to jump, so I think the Kode 80 would probably be better than an iSonic 86 in that respect. Also, the inboard straps will probably afford you more control. For you, this board will be a full on sinker, so it'll definitely be reserved for high winds.

That's the one I would choose, maybe the SB team would recommend something different.

Cheers.

PG 5th May 2010 12:41 PM

I think that the Kode 86 would make a lot of sense
- It is 20 liters smaller than you K105, a nice difference
- It can take a 5.5 well and slightly bigger comfortably (remember that smaller persons can use bigger sails on a given board!)
- It will not sink you as brutally as a 80 liter or smaller board. In the real world this means that you will get more surfing days on a much smaller board = Fun!
- You should be able to use your 5.6 for both K105 and K86, and switch during the day.
- When it is blowing 4.0 for a 90 kg guy there is quite a lot of wind... Quite a lot more (like >10 additional knots) than you can manage on your current gear.

agrelon 5th May 2010 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PG (Post 41072)
I think that the Kode 86 would make a lot of sense
- It is 20 liters smaller than you K105, a nice difference
- It can take a 5.5 well and slightly bigger comfortably (remember that smaller persons can use bigger sails on a given board!)
- It will not sink you as brutally as a 80 liter or smaller board. In the real world this means that you will get more surfing days on a much smaller board = Fun!
- You should be able to use your 5.6 for both K105 and K86, and switch during the day.
- When it is blowing 4.0 for a 90 kg guy there is quite a lot of wind... Quite a lot more (like >10 additional knots) than you can manage on your current gear.

Yeah, definitely 4.0m days at for you will be rare.. unless you sail during typhoons. At my weight I've yet to sail in a day where smaller than my 4.7m would be necessary, baring in mind I don't ride waves.

Larsonaut 6th May 2010 05:02 AM

Thanks for the input - the Kode 86/80 definitely seems like the right platform. Fast, but fun in chop/waves.

4.0 days are DEFINITELY rare, but it is painful to sit them out!

Not sure if I understand this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by PG (Post 41072)
(remember that smaller persons can use bigger sails on a given board!)

In my experience, I always carry a bigger sail for given wind than my smaller mates. In 15kts, I use the 9.0 on the Futura 133 where my 70kg friend might be on the same board but with a 7.5, because he can't hold down a bigger rig.

agrelon 6th May 2010 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larsonaut (Post 41120)
Thanks for the input - the Kode 86/80 definitely seems like the right platform. Fast, but fun in chop/waves.

4.0 days are DEFINITELY rare, but it is painful to sit them out!

Not sure if I understand this:



In my experience, I always carry a bigger sail for given wind than my smaller mates. In 15kts, I use the 9.0 on the Futura 133 where my 70kg friend might be on the same board but with a 7.5, because he can't hold down a bigger rig.

I think what PG means is that for a given boards, say Futura 133l, the maximum sail size a heavy rider might find comfortable for the right conditions is a 9.0m2 whereas for a lighter rider, in even light conditions, a 9.5m might be the maximum sail size that works.

I'm not sure how valid this is though...

PG 6th May 2010 01:36 PM

Light riders can use a bigger sail on a given board, while a heavier riders weight will overload the board (together with the rig) and make it behave like a pig. In the same wind a heavier rifer of course needs a bigger sail, I typically use 9.0 while smaller friends use 6.5 - 7.5. But they would be able to take a 9.5 - 10.0 on my board in very light winds and make it work.

My smallest board is a RRD FSW 94, and at my weight of slightly more than 100 kg it is quite manageable in overpowered 4.2 weather (gusts of 50 knots +). I am sure that you will enjoy a K86 with a 4.0. Don't sit them out!

Ola_H 6th May 2010 03:01 PM

I commented on this question in the team section, recommending the Kode 86. At 90 kilos is will be good even with a 4.0 for B&J style sailing. The Kode 80 is not only 6 liters smaller, it has a narrower tail and feels like a 10 liter smaller board at least. Powered up it will work but I think it's almost a shame to get such a nice board and then only be able to sail it a few times a year. And it will still leave a gap tot he Kombat 105 when it's a bit sketchy 5.0-5.3.

The K86 a very controllable board. One thing I didn't mention in the other post: to extend the high wind capabilities, take the wood version over the wood carbon. Weight difference is pretty much nothing since the K86 is a rather light construction already, but the extra flex of wood makes it smoother in chop.

rubuni 20th March 2011 09:25 PM

Kode 86 is a wonderful board and really appears well placed with the boards you have. Best sails for the K86 are Between 4,7 and 5,7 ... so if people are in the water with 4,2 sails think twice before you get there with your K86 because it is no fun. Also the board comes with a 25 cm fin, which is big... and goes only with bigger sails, if you put anything smaller the 5,4 then you would love better a 23 or a 22 cm wave fin.

I would choose the wood version too.

Happy ride!


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