Fins the good and bad on futura

13th June 2008, 05:35 AM

Having read the article from Roger I then wonder why the smaller futura's come with such poor performing fin. I have a 133 which was supplied with an excellent fin. 10/10

The demo board in our shop is a 111 and a friend has the 93. The free fin supplied with both those boards 4/10 only work in very powered up bumpy conditions. In all other situations I and friends have found they are prone to spin out. We often ask why doesn't starboard put the same fin as the old Hypers or the Isonic fin on the futura. It is a fast freeride and most buyers don't want to get an additional couple of fins as well as a new board. When I'm promoting the board on the beach I have to tell the prospective buyer the fin is no good and you'll need to get an aftermarket fin or keep the one out of your old board. We have tested these boards with the above meantioned fins and they really outshine the stock fin.

namreh · 13th June 2008, 02:07 PM

I'm using on my Futura 111 the stockfin from my s-type 115 from last year (drake freeswift 38cm). This year you get the same fin with the futura but with a thick layer of paint on it and this is totally useless in my eyes.

With my weight (+95kg) I'm totally addict to that fin for powered up 7.4m² conditions. Yesterday evening I had another session with 17-20 knots and not one big spinout (http://www.gps-speedsurfing.com/gps....8&uid=162&cnt=).

So I think that the fin-shape is very good (compared to the old drake fins from the s-type 2006 for example), but that the 2008-version with the paintlayer is maybe not the best thing starboard has done...

crazychemical · 13th June 2008, 03:42 PM

(ha Herman, leuk je ook op het Sb forum te zien

korpisurfer)
Roger once told me an intersting thing about starboard. I was discussing fins and he mentioned that Sb (aswell as brands like Mistral and F2) tend to sell an undersized stock fin with their boards. For bigger boards who use a slalom fin this won't be such a problem seeing as slalom fins have a big range and they're used in lightwind so not too many controle issues, for smaller boards, and underfinned fin in lightwind won't get you to do anything. The fins are put into test by the pro's who surf in more marginal conditions so for them the stock works okay (though most probably kick the fin cuz of sponsoring), for other sailors, who own one or two boards for all conditions the stockfin won't cut it in most conditions. Personally i own a finrange of 6-7 fins for just 2 boards, like most surfers, but if you jsut bought a board that you want to use in conditions it really wasn't tested for and you don't have or won't invest in a range of fins you're basicly scr***

thats my thought of it, just invest in fins over time. I can't buy a new board every year so with the gear i have i have to pump out the max of 'em by investing in much cheaper accesories like fins and masts.

RobSwift · 15th June 2008, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazychemical

(ha Herman, leuk je ook op het Sb forum te zien

korpisurfer)
Roger once told me an intersting thing about starboard. I was discussing fins and he mentioned that Sb (aswell as brands like Mistral and F2) tend to sell an undersized stock fin with their boards. For bigger boards who use a slalom fin this won't be such a problem seeing as slalom fins have a big range and they're used in lightwind so not too many controle issues, for smaller boards, and underfinned fin in lightwind won't get you to do anything. The fins are put into test by the pro's who surf in more marginal conditions so for them the stock works okay (though most probably kick the fin cuz of sponsoring), for other sailors, who own one or two boards for all conditions the stockfin won't cut it in most conditions. Personally i own a finrange of 6-7 fins for just 2 boards, like most surfers, but if you jsut bought a board that you want to use in conditions it really wasn't tested for and you don't have or won't invest in a range of fins you're basicly scr***

thats my thought of it, just invest in fins over time. I can't buy a new board every year so with the gear i have i have to pump out the max of 'em by investing in much cheaper accesories like fins and masts.

Most fins supplied with new boards are small for the board. This results from the fact that in the past over-finning was often the reason many boards got bad reviews. Once aftermarket fin makers developed a success, the board manufacturer's improved their stock fins, I've been told. However, if you want to sail it in the high recommended sail size range, you will do better with a second fin. In fact, I've been informed that if you want to sail it at the top sail size, you will be best served with a weedfin. My experience has re-affirmed this.

25th July 2008, 07:27 PM

fins fins fins...
after years of lake sailing, with many days of marginal planing, i have found myself and others to trend towards bigger fins, and ( no suprise ) bigger sails.
being a bigger fellow at 90 kgs this is a local reaction above an beyond what is recommended by the board manufacterers and what has been applied through necesssity.

I have just gotten a s type 104 and you can bet i will be putting alot bigger fin on it then what comes with it.
And i most likely will be using a bigger sail as well.
while i wont be putting a 58 cm formula fin on the board or a 9.0, i have found that i have tried many a setup that may not have worked to recccomended numbers, may have felt not all that comfortable BUT ...got me planinn a ripping.
so when things arent perfect ,
go big or go home... my motto.

shredulato

Philip · 26th July 2008, 05:34 AM

Post #1 makes an interesting point about Hypersonics. I have after- market fins that are smaller or fit in between the stock 34 & 42 cm fins to tune to the range of sail and wind combinations. HS is a an 'apparent' wind machine (and an acquired taste!) and for given conditions I rig (sail and fin) on the smaller side to lower drag and reduce tram-lining on gybes. The difference is quite noticeable.

Jean-Marc · 26th July 2008, 02:27 PM

WRT fins for Futura, you can remove the painting by sanding with 800-1000 grit wet paper.

WRT stock fins, 1 or even 2 is not enough to fully exploit the range of a board. No surprise, I'm using 3-4 fins for each board. The Hypersonic is a very special case because the fin range is extremely wide : from 7 fins, I'm now using only 4 fins of size 26/32/40/55 cm on that board. By comparison with the iSonic 122W75, the fin range is much narrower, even thought both shares ± the same footprint on the water.

Cheers !

JM

13th June 2008, 03:42 PM	#3
crazychemical Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Zaventem, Belgium Posts: 352	(ha Herman, leuk je ook op het Sb forum te zien korpisurfer) Roger once told me an intersting thing about starboard. I was discussing fins and he mentioned that Sb (aswell as brands like Mistral and F2) tend to sell an undersized stock fin with their boards. For bigger boards who use a slalom fin this won't be such a problem seeing as slalom fins have a big range and they're used in lightwind so not too many controle issues, for smaller boards, and underfinned fin in lightwind won't get you to do anything. The fins are put into test by the pro's who surf in more marginal conditions so for them the stock works okay (though most probably kick the fin cuz of sponsoring), for other sailors, who own one or two boards for all conditions the stockfin won't cut it in most conditions. Personally i own a finrange of 6-7 fins for just 2 boards, like most surfers, but if you jsut bought a board that you want to use in conditions it really wasn't tested for and you don't have or won't invest in a range of fins you're basicly scr*** thats my thought of it, just invest in fins over time. I can't buy a new board every year so with the gear i have i have to pump out the max of 'em by investing in much cheaper accesories like fins and masts. __________________ Haiko, AKA crazychemical

25th July 2008, 07:27 PM	#5
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	go big or go home. fins fins fins... after years of lake sailing, with many days of marginal planing, i have found myself and others to trend towards bigger fins, and ( no suprise ) bigger sails. being a bigger fellow at 90 kgs this is a local reaction above an beyond what is recommended by the board manufacterers and what has been applied through necesssity. I have just gotten a s type 104 and you can bet i will be putting alot bigger fin on it then what comes with it. And i most likely will be using a bigger sail as well. while i wont be putting a 58 cm formula fin on the board or a 9.0, i have found that i have tried many a setup that may not have worked to recccomended numbers, may have felt not all that comfortable BUT ...got me planinn a ripping. so when things arent perfect , go big or go home... my motto. shredulato

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13th June 2008, 05:35 AM	#1
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	Fins the good and bad on futura Having read the article from Roger I then wonder why the smaller futura's come with such poor performing fin. I have a 133 which was supplied with an excellent fin. 10/10 The demo board in our shop is a 111 and a friend has the 93. The free fin supplied with both those boards 4/10 only work in very powered up bumpy conditions. In all other situations I and friends have found they are prone to spin out. We often ask why doesn't starboard put the same fin as the old Hypers or the Isonic fin on the futura. It is a fast freeride and most buyers don't want to get an additional couple of fins as well as a new board. When I'm promoting the board on the beach I have to tell the prospective buyer the fin is no good and you'll need to get an aftermarket fin or keep the one out of your old board. We have tested these boards with the above meantioned fins and they really outshine the stock fin.

13th June 2008, 02:07 PM	#2
namreh Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 29	I'm using on my Futura 111 the stockfin from my s-type 115 from last year (drake freeswift 38cm). This year you get the same fin with the futura but with a thick layer of paint on it and this is totally useless in my eyes. With my weight (+95kg) I'm totally addict to that fin for powered up 7.4m² conditions. Yesterday evening I had another session with 17-20 knots and not one big spinout (http://www.gps-speedsurfing.com/gps....8&uid=162&cnt=). So I think that the fin-shape is very good (compared to the old drake fins from the s-type 2006 for example), but that the 2008-version with the paintlayer is maybe not the best thing starboard has done...

26th July 2008, 05:34 AM	#6
Philip Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 157	Post #1 makes an interesting point about Hypersonics. I have after- market fins that are smaller or fit in between the stock 34 & 42 cm fins to tune to the range of sail and wind combinations. HS is a an 'apparent' wind machine (and an acquired taste!) and for given conditions I rig (sail and fin) on the smaller side to lower drag and reduce tram-lining on gybes. The difference is quite noticeable.

26th July 2008, 02:27 PM	#7
Jean-Marc TEAM Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,241	WRT fins for Futura, you can remove the painting by sanding with 800-1000 grit wet paper. WRT stock fins, 1 or even 2 is not enough to fully exploit the range of a board. No surprise, I'm using 3-4 fins for each board. The Hypersonic is a very special case because the fin range is extremely wide : from 7 fins, I'm now using only 4 fins of size 26/32/40/55 cm on that board. By comparison with the iSonic 122W75, the fin range is much narrower, even thought both shares ± the same footprint on the water. Cheers ! JM