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Old 9th October 2010, 01:09 PM   #1
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Hi all,

I had a fantastic session today on a SB Formula 156, with a 70cm Drake Fin and Ezzy 8.5m.

Flat water, wind about 6-14knts. Damn can that thing point! I was pointing as well as sailboats and absolutely smashing them interms of vmg. Basically, after such a successful session a formula board is on my wish list as soon as I have some spare cash.

The one thing I didn't like about this board is how the straps aren't very far over the rail, and as result there is a lot of pressure on your heels just about all the time.

I'm assuming the JP Racedeck sort of solves this problem on their formula, but have there been any changes in the starboard formula ranges which make it so that there is more dome or the straps are further over the rail??

Also, you can tell by pushing the deck when the board is on land that the build isn't extreme rigid. Do the new WC constructions make the board a lot stiffer overall?

Thanks,

Looking forward to more sessions on that board.,

Adrien
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Old 9th October 2010, 06:53 PM   #2
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Hi Adrien, hope the team don't mind me answering you

Im guessing that you were on an old wood F156 from about 8-years ago, or a newer (heavier) ASA F156 from the "Formula Experience class".

The ASA F156 was along side the Bic Techno Formula for low cost racing. Manufactures had to keep the design for 5-years to keep costs down for young racers. I opted to use a Bic Techno formula as it felt lighter and faster, but that all changed when generation 2 formula boards came out, AKA Formula 147. At the time, that board was way ahead off all other formula boards like Fanatic, AHD, Bic and MB.

The F156 was 1st generation formula, long, narrower tails. The F156 footstrap position was more inboard c/w newer boards. You will not get the pressure on your heels on F147 or newer boards.

For light wind fun (non-racing), a F147, F158, F159 or F160 can be bought very cheap. All these boards feel light under foot, stiff and easy to control. Plug in a 9m and stock fin and you will have plenty of smiles

But of course, if you come into money, the newer models will be better again.

WC will feel stiffer than wood for sure. Wood will be a bit more forgiving in choppy seas.
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Hi Adrien, hope the team don't mind me answering you

Im guessing that you were on an old wood F156 from about 8-years ago, or a newer (heavier) ASA F156 from the "Formula Experience class".

The ASA F156 was along side the Bic Techno Formula for low cost racing. Manufactures had to keep the design for 5-years to keep costs down for young racers. I opted to use a Bic Techno formula as it felt lighter and faster, but that all changed when generation 2 formula boards came out, AKA Formula 147. At the time, that board was way ahead off all other formula boards like Fanatic, AHD, Bic and MB.

The F156 was 1st generation formula, long, narrower tails. The F156 footstrap position was more inboard c/w newer boards. You will not get the pressure on your heels on F147 or newer boards.

For light wind fun (non-racing), a F147, F158, F159 or F160 can be bought very cheap. All these boards feel light under foot, stiff and easy to control. Plug in a 9m and stock fin and you will have plenty of smiles

But of course, if you come into money, the newer models will be better again.

WC will feel stiffer than wood for sure. Wood will be a bit more forgiving in choppy seas.
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Old 10th October 2010, 04:29 AM   #4
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Hi Adrien, hope the team don't mind me answering you

Im guessing that you were on an old wood F156 from about 8-years ago, or a newer (heavier) ASA F156 from the "Formula Experience class".

The ASA F156 was along side the Bic Techno Formula for low cost racing. Manufactures had to keep the design for 5-years to keep costs down for young racers. I opted to use a Bic Techno formula as it felt lighter and faster, but that all changed when generation 2 formula boards came out, AKA Formula 147. At the time, that board was way ahead off all other formula boards like Fanatic, AHD, Bic and MB.

The F156 was 1st generation formula, long, narrower tails. The F156 footstrap position was more inboard c/w newer boards. You will not get the pressure on your heels on F147 or newer boards.

For light wind fun (non-racing), a F147, F158, F159 or F160 can be bought very cheap. All these boards feel light under foot, stiff and easy to control. Plug in a 9m and stock fin and you will have plenty of smiles

But of course, if you come into money, the newer models will be better again.

WC will feel stiffer than wood for sure. Wood will be a bit more forgiving in choppy seas.
Hi Mark,

Thanks for your answer. Indeed I was on the wood 157, surprising that this board has a very similar weight to modern formula boards 8 years later! Good to know that the straps on newer boards are further outboard.

Were I to come into a lot of money, I not sure whether I would opt for a lighter and better jibing UltraSonic 147/ JP SLW style board or full formula....

I absolutely LOVE the pointing ability of the formula with a 70cm fin, it makes the place I sail feel so much bigger, as within a 2 runs I'm already so far upwind of my launching spot. However, if I only have my Futura 93l as a higher wind board, I will get a more complete windrange with a 147/JP SLW as they could go more comfortably 15-18knts with say a 7.5m....

Anyways, I'll stop day dreaming.

Adrien
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