Severne Reflex II - who has experience with it ? - Page 3

Farlo · 19th December 2011, 10:24 PM

Hi all, have you seen the outhaul position mid way to the cutaway on the Reflex III? This topic has been discussed on other forums but I 'm still looking for an explanation. Severne is not advertising that much on this third clew eye, which looks very bizarre. What are the benefits of such a large cutaway + reflex system if you end up with longer boom / tighter leech again? (With all respect to BD who never won a single PWA event before being on Starboard/Severne, oops it's AA... sorry ;-).

Remi · 20th December 2011, 05:08 AM

Hi Farlo,

When you have light winds this increase the power, the reason why for example the RaceBoard sails have always longuer boom. Then when the wind is not any more light or light gusty you go for the normal position and the third one is for small riders or the ones who like to have their boom lower at the clue.

Hope this help

All the best

Farlo · 20th December 2011, 04:50 PM

Hi Remi, thank you for the answer. This sounds logical but I'm still confused. I though the whole story about cutaway/s-shape/reflex battens... was to cope with strong and light wind with the same trim. Of course Severne sails are doing well in competition but it seems a lot of technology and extra stuff not to solve any problem. For instance a true innovation would be to get rid of adjustable outhaul. This been said, I'd rather try one to make up my mind

Remi · 20th December 2011, 04:53 PM

Hi Farlo,

It's a race machine so multiple set up to get the best performances at any time.

By doing this you wil feel more power on the back hand and it's working great.

One trim can't work at hi level for all condition, so it's a very good option, try it and you will feel it imediately.

Have fun

Farlo · 21st December 2011, 01:58 PM

OK Remi, I'll try if I have a chance. But if you need to change clew according to conditions it's not so great revolution compared to other sails. Rather put a mobile connection that would slide along the boom batten. Just my 50 cents.

fataux · 22nd December 2011, 05:48 AM

As for no pros, imho, trimming is one joy part of windsurfing. For a revolution point of view on the other hand i couldn't say much. But everybody need some marketing either this way or that way

(may be it is a revolution and not a marketing mambo jambo that i don't know, may be i have a chance to try next season)

Farlo · 22nd December 2011, 02:58 PM

Hi Fataux, my point is that the third clew eye seems to have similar effects than adjustable outhaul, but of course you can't change it when sailing so I wonder where the miracle is. On the other hand, if changing clew position has significant impacts on sail's behaviour (s-shape to c-shape) then you could design an adjustable clew eye mobile along the protruding part of the boom batten. Not sure it would replace adjustable outhaul, though. Racers may want both.

20th December 2011, 05:08 AM	#22
Remi STARBOARD DEVELOPMENT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,334	Hi Farlo, When you have light winds this increase the power, the reason why for example the RaceBoard sails have always longuer boom. Then when the wind is not any more light or light gusty you go for the normal position and the third one is for small riders or the ones who like to have their boom lower at the clue. Hope this help All the best __________________ Rémi Can answer if you have any questions on this following boards : Carve 111, 121, 131, 141, 151 & 161 Futura 93, 101, 111, 121, 131 & 141. iSonic 80, 87, 90, 97, 107, 110, 117, 127 & 137 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. UltraSonic 147 Formula Experience One Design Phantom Race 377/320 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Phantom 295 : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Formula 167 & 167 Wide : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Racing Serinity Cat Concept To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

20th December 2011, 04:53 PM	#24
Remi STARBOARD DEVELOPMENT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,334	Hi Farlo, It's a race machine so multiple set up to get the best performances at any time. By doing this you wil feel more power on the back hand and it's working great. One trim can't work at hi level for all condition, so it's a very good option, try it and you will feel it imediately. Have fun __________________ Rémi Can answer if you have any questions on this following boards : Carve 111, 121, 131, 141, 151 & 161 Futura 93, 101, 111, 121, 131 & 141. iSonic 80, 87, 90, 97, 107, 110, 117, 127 & 137 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. UltraSonic 147 Formula Experience One Design Phantom Race 377/320 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Phantom 295 : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Formula 167 & 167 Wide : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Racing Serinity Cat Concept To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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19th December 2011, 10:24 PM	#21
Farlo Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 513	Hi all, have you seen the outhaul position mid way to the cutaway on the Reflex III? This topic has been discussed on other forums but I 'm still looking for an explanation. Severne is not advertising that much on this third clew eye, which looks very bizarre. What are the benefits of such a large cutaway + reflex system if you end up with longer boom / tighter leech again? (With all respect to BD who never won a single PWA event before being on Starboard/Severne, oops it's AA... sorry ;-).

20th December 2011, 04:50 PM	#23
Farlo Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 513	Hi Remi, thank you for the answer. This sounds logical but I'm still confused. I though the whole story about cutaway/s-shape/reflex battens... was to cope with strong and light wind with the same trim. Of course Severne sails are doing well in competition but it seems a lot of technology and extra stuff not to solve any problem. For instance a true innovation would be to get rid of adjustable outhaul. This been said, I'd rather try one to make up my mind

21st December 2011, 01:58 PM	#25
Farlo Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 513	OK Remi, I'll try if I have a chance. But if you need to change clew according to conditions it's not so great revolution compared to other sails. Rather put a mobile connection that would slide along the boom batten. Just my 50 cents.

22nd December 2011, 05:48 AM	#26
fataux New Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 6	As for no pros, imho, trimming is one joy part of windsurfing. For a revolution point of view on the other hand i couldn't say much. But everybody need some marketing either this way or that way (may be it is a revolution and not a marketing mambo jambo that i don't know, may be i have a chance to try next season)

22nd December 2011, 02:58 PM	#27
Farlo Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 513	Hi Fataux, my point is that the third clew eye seems to have similar effects than adjustable outhaul, but of course you can't change it when sailing so I wonder where the miracle is. On the other hand, if changing clew position has significant impacts on sail's behaviour (s-shape to c-shape) then you could design an adjustable clew eye mobile along the protruding part of the boom batten. Not sure it would replace adjustable outhaul, though. Racers may want both.