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Old 30th January 2007, 05:50 PM   #11
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Hi Marek
We have an F-type. My wife learned to sail on it; and now we both use it when the wind is marginal for planing. It planes really early and is very fast when it gets going. For your weight however I would suggest at least an 8.5 sail if you want to get it planing in light winds.
Sub-planing weather? Has to be the Serenity
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Old 30th January 2007, 08:56 PM   #12
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Hi Marek,

You may have figured this out, but I think the reason you are being suggested longboard is because you said 5-15 knots. It sounds like you want to be planning. For planning in light wind, a couple of knots makes a big difference. Had you said 10-15 knots, I think you would have gotten a different response ie F-Type good, maybe a bit bigger sail than 7.5. Seeing how you've demo'd the F-type, you know what you're getting. Regarding the BIC. Generally these are good progressing boards as they have a tough ASA skin making them durable. Performance will be a bit less. Good luck!
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Old 30th January 2007, 08:59 PM   #13
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Thanks a bunch, everybody.

I'm getting F-type. I just can't resist, it's a sweet board. ;-)
I'll see how it goes and since this is a good value board I'll be able to sell it later on and change to something more versatile or get another one (maybe a longboard?).

And I just got a 7.5 Gaastra Matrix sail (with a 490/29 30% Gaastra budget mast). I figured I am too much a beginner to deal with a larger sail right now and this should be a good all-around sail, that I can later on use with another board as well.
I should be also able to rig a 9.0 on the same mast and boom.

I hope I did the right thing. A longboard some of you recommended and F-type are so much different, that it was really a tough choice. Maybe if I could easily buy Kona over here I would get it (the video was great) - especially that I have a longboard-type skateboard and I really enjoy cruising on it. Another issue with a longboard is that it is, well...long - 3.5m must be like carrying a canoe on your roof ;-).

So anyway, I know it's going to be a more demanding board and that I'll have to do my best while learning to sail on it but I hope it'll pay me back.

Thanks again,
-marek

P.S. Are there any other modern longboards other than Exocet Kona?
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Old 31st January 2007, 12:34 AM   #14
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Default RE: Is Starboard F-type good for me?

Report back how things are going after you get a few sessions on the F-Type. I'm curious what you'll find the planing threshold is for the 7.5. I was surprised how light the wind was when I got my 8.0 planing on my F-Type 148. It is a good board for that. Also, don't forget to pay attention to what fin you get. All you might need is a larger fin ($100~) instead of a slightly larger sail ($500~).
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Old 31st January 2007, 10:04 PM   #15
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the boards a good choice, you cant beat the wide boards for planing,
the sail, i dont think is great choice , I do not own any newer big no cams ( a naish 6.0 only ),
they just dont have the power ive seen the luff sleeves ona few norths no cams, I was not impressed.
the luff sleeves were cut tight and narrow and needed alot of power to get them to form a good foil IMHO.
You need to have a cammed sail for draft/ depth/camber and ....power to use in light airs.
I am 195 lbs and have an old starboard 155, now its not that wide, in fact pretty narrow by today standards.
With it my sail of choice a Naishs Alana 2 cam!........... not the racy'ist of sails but a deep , deep, draft, set that way in lighter airs, top end is very limited but its got power in the low end to pop the board onto a plane.....
in even lower winds i have a prototype 9.5 ( dont knwo the brand its got a kangagroo sticker on it , alot more power but alot less comfortable /controlable B)
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Old 31st January 2007, 10:43 PM   #16
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Default RE: Is Starboard F-type good for me?

While I have a 9.8 V8 which has cams, my next sail is an 8.0 Retro. I replaced my 7.7 V8 with the Retro. I don't really notice a difference in stability or range between the 7.7 V8 and the 8.0 Retro. I was surprised at this, but pleased, of course.

Will I go and replace my 9.8 V8 with a 9.5 or 10 Retro? I'll definitely try it out, as I'm interested in seeing how it performs. But I'll wait until the 9.8 has a few more years on it.
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Old 31st January 2007, 11:23 PM   #17
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Default RE: gaastra not north

OOOOPS the sails i saw were gaastraa no cams, my bad , i dont know the type.
Other then that they seemed very underpowered and i wasnt too impressed.
As to draft stability, well judging by the tension of the luff sleeve on the mast yes, probably very stable but low wind power as much as a flat board....

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Old 31st January 2007, 11:31 PM   #18
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Hi marek,

For many years I was quite dedicated to cambered sails, but I find that I now actually prefer no cams. I like the ease of rigging, they're much friendlier to jibe, and not as mast specific. Also, they fare better in a surf environment. As 02bnme so rightly pointed out, modern no cams are very stable and pretty rangy overall. That wasn't always the case, but sail design has come a long way. For someone getting a start in the sport, no cam sails are really the best choice. Keeping things simple and avoiding the rigging and tuning subtleties in cambered sails makes a lot of sense.

However, there is a path to follow where you can have cams or no cams in your sail. Bill Hansen of Hansen Sails offers a sail line, the FreeRace HCL, that is designed to be used with or without cams. You can go with 0, 1, 2 or 3 cams. Really, the best of all worlds. For more information on these sails, check out the following website.

http://www.calcupevents.com/Stores/Hansen/Hansen_Store.shtml

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Old 3rd February 2007, 09:27 PM   #19
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Marek,

Get the F-type and a 9.0 sail. You will learn to handle it very quickly. If the conditions are below 9 knots, it is better to drink a beer than waste your time in non-planing conditions.

Windsurfing = planing.

Many companies try to increase their profits creating customer demand and selling boards for non-planing conditions, thus trying to increase the number of boards one shoud buy. Don't accept this and don't waste your money.

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Old 4th February 2007, 05:44 AM   #20
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While personally I would advocate the planing side of things based on my focus and relative opportunities in the sport, I wouldn't be so hasty to not recognize the realities of other windsurfing interests overall. So many folks like the spirit of windsurfing, but don't always have the conditions that many of us like to consider as our minimums. The beauty of today's market offerings is that everybody has an avenue to leverage off of. Really, the driving idea is to improve participation and interest overall, especially in the seeds and opportunity that family participitation might provide in less optimum conditions (the classic summer vacation). Varied market concepts accomplish this result so well these days with different sized board concepts, whether you're a sailor looking to take advantage of real light winds, or as more heavyweight sailor needing a slighty different strategy that really works.

In reality, I wouldn't be so quick to blowoff another folk's opportunities. It must be remembered that fun is truly relative. The bar doesn't have to be too high to creat interest and fun. Isn't that what it's about?
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