Old 31st August 2011, 07:26 AM   #11
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Hi Nonopr

No this are made in Cobra but if we want something who is lighter, Cobra can't make it, need very high tech technology who will cost a fortune and this will impossible to sell on the market.
But I garantie you it's not need, try it and you will understand.
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Old 31st August 2011, 07:13 PM   #12
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Yeah: No problem. I was just trying to find more information and you answer my questions already. I have order my board already.
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Old 31st August 2011, 07:19 PM   #13
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For Remi, i'm 78 kg , my wind is 8-18 knt and go with hwr, i go for 167 or 167 wide???.

I dont like the start in planning of hwr , the new 167 is better??, and is olso confortable in wind as hwr??

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Old 31st August 2011, 07:45 PM   #14
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Just taken a look and the new formula it's really impressive in his dark suite, I can imagine the price too. But it's professional tool no question.Direct in my dreams with the new Phantom pro.
Imho the statement about Cobra could (also) sound that to have a lighter board the first thing should be to make it outside Cobra, as this is their standard. Is this the meaning or what nonopr have understood?
Edit: too slow to type (and translate), answer is already arrived.
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Old 31st August 2011, 07:47 PM   #15
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Hi Psicowind

For 8 to 18 knots At your, the 167 Wide will be the one
And it's a big step from the Hwr
Have fun
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Old 31st August 2011, 10:19 PM   #16
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No idea how both will work and if fins from HWR will do the best job or need bigger once???

I am in 90kg and my performance in 5-10 knts with HWR and Reflex 12 is not competitive against the 75kg guys.

So for me the point will be if the 75kg racers will improve once more with the 167wide their light wind performance and kill us 90kg guys in that conditions or the 167wide will be to big for them to make it really fast and they will better choose the 167 normal???

Hope to get soon some feedback from........ who will have the board first??

I ordered two days ago, takes 6 weeks shipping to Austria, maybe I choose plane.

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Old 1st September 2011, 04:07 AM   #17
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Remi:
As for all radical designs and when something is so new there is always the person who dont think this board will work with 90cm wide tail.
I have people telling me that this board was not made for saltwater conditions and that the boards is for fresh water lakes with no wind.
Can you give us more information about this new radical board design and explain:
Where the board was tested?
How did it perform?
We know you ask to be use with a Virus or a Z fin but with what sizes it was tested with?
How can a board 90cm tail can work in 8 to 20 knots?
What sails sizes and brands?,
What conditions and where? Was this board tested in Puerto Rico by Wjotek or Steve Allen?
This will make my life a lot easier to sell this board in my shop.

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Old 1st September 2011, 07:04 AM   #18
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Hi Nonopr,

Their is always septic what ever I say they will believe in the board when will be very far behind this board
This board was test in only salt water in Thailand test by Wojtek, Steve, Alberto and me. It was test against the best boards on the market and you can be sure that the gap is quiet big and also the board is very easy on down wind and very Fun.
The bottom of the board quiet special and make feel the board really smaller and accelerate like a small board. Very limited drags.
We use Severne Reflex II in 12 & 11 to test all the boards and Virus 70.
For up wind and down wind it's the machine for the podiums
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Old 1st September 2011, 07:49 AM   #19
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Remi:
I am convince this board will be the board to win races.
One more question.
Virus fin 70cm but cut/not cut what is the real size of the fin tested. Can you give a bit more detail in this part.
The fin is very important in this set up and I have order already 4 of this boards i want to make sure people who is getting it here will have a good idea of what fin to either buy or re use from their other formula boards.
For example:
I have a Z fin ZEOS- 70 not cut. What Z fin did you test with the best performance? ZE or ZF? Cut or not cut?

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Old 1st September 2011, 11:35 PM   #20
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I believe that when Remi sai 70 fins, he has in mind 70 with no cut.
Regarding Z F fins, there is no much information yet. Arnon Dagan used them in Worlds and in Euro Championship and gave his comments to producer. Martin Ervin, the winner of Baltic Cup 2011 use this fin when the wind pickups. I’m not sure F167 boards were tested with Z F fins as only very few are made yet. But Remi knows better for sure.
During EuroChamp Steve said that not only fin is very important to board, but a sail as well  and F167 and F167wide needs a little bit differed sail work when HWR, as F167 are faster. So, new Reflex III will be adapted in some way to F167 needs. Or something like that. It is also very interesting side of board performance. Would be nice to know more about it.

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