New Formula 167 Wide - Page 4

Remi · 19th September 2011, 08:41 AM

Hi Greg,

Good answer from Nonopr, nothing to add.

All the best

Ken · 19th September 2011, 10:05 PM

Of course, this clarification is probably redundant for anyone sailing formula, but just in case..........

Actually, formula boards are good for reaching (recreational sailing), but only if you rig a meter or two smaller than you would use for upwind/downwind racing. You need larger sails for maximum speeds in deep downwind runs than you would need for reaching, so racers go big. Those big sail (11.0) are fine for the experts racing in 15-20 knots of wind, but try reaching in the same wind and it will spell disaster - too much board and too much sail.

I fun sail my formula board quite a bit and I rig pretty much for the wind average (inland lake sailing with gusty winds). When the winds are on the light to medium side, I am reaching, when they gust, I head up or run deep.

ducze · 20th September 2011, 12:18 AM

Thanx guys. My question was to clarify as I just sold my old 160 and need to buy new one for 2012. I sail inland with 10,7 and 12 and use Z-Fin E0-. I know that reaching is killing on Formula board but sometimes U need to go downwind get some speed and than go upwind and it can be a problem on such a wide board.

Just wanted to check if I will be able to handle that ;-)

thanx

greg

Remi · 20th September 2011, 07:03 AM

Hi Greg

Up wind and down wind will be not the problem, the only thing I can say is that more the board is wide in the tail more it start to be difficult on reach but this board is for racer and can see you use 12m so should be ok for you at 78kgs.

Race organizer usually don't put long reach when is windy so it will be a weapon in this case.

All the best

ducze · 20th September 2011, 11:53 PM

OK guys,

Ordered 167 wide can't wait to try it...

Greg

bushfire.one · 12th October 2011, 04:35 AM

Just taken delivery of a 167W. Looks like a real machine. Racing with it this weekend. Weight = 9.4kg.
The board shape at the rear is quite complex, both deckside and underneath - a real work of art!
A lot of nose rocker, and a bit of V under the mast track.
More impressions after the weekend.

ducze · 13th October 2011, 12:34 AM

send us some more pics... board looks amazing

Greg

raffig · 13th October 2011, 02:30 PM

More importantly, I think that many people are waiting for a decent report on the performance of this board before ordering...

bushfire.one · 13th October 2011, 04:56 PM

Chris Ting (Mr VMG fins) has been out on his new 167W in light winds and is really impressed with the performance - check out the Seabreeze forum. A more detailed report after this weekend's racing.

bubi · 13th October 2011, 07:39 PM

Dear Remi

Please let me ask you some questions about the new Starboard formula boards

I am surfing/racing formula in wind conditions from 10 -30 knots and I am 175cm and 88 kg (sails Severne Reflex II 12 & 11 m2)
(Most of the races we done last year the conditions was choppy 15-24 knots)
Which of the new Starboard formula board is the best choice for me?
(I can buy only one board!)

Thanking you in advance.

Best regards

Bubi

19th September 2011, 08:41 AM	#31
Remi STARBOARD DEVELOPMENT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,338	Hi Greg, Good answer from Nonopr, nothing to add. All the best __________________ Rémi Can answer if you have any questions on this following boards : Carve 111, 121, 131, 141, 151 & 161 Futura 93, 101, 111, 121, 131 & 141. iSonic 80, 87, 90, 97, 107, 110, 117, 127 & 137 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. UltraSonic 147 Formula Experience One Design Phantom Race 377/320 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Phantom 295 : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Formula 167 & 167 Wide : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Racing Serinity Cat Concept To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

19th September 2011, 10:05 PM	#32
Ken Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas USA Posts: 797	Of course, this clarification is probably redundant for anyone sailing formula, but just in case.......... Actually, formula boards are good for reaching (recreational sailing), but only if you rig a meter or two smaller than you would use for upwind/downwind racing. You need larger sails for maximum speeds in deep downwind runs than you would need for reaching, so racers go big. Those big sail (11.0) are fine for the experts racing in 15-20 knots of wind, but try reaching in the same wind and it will spell disaster - too much board and too much sail. I fun sail my formula board quite a bit and I rig pretty much for the wind average (inland lake sailing with gusty winds). When the winds are on the light to medium side, I am reaching, when they gust, I head up or run deep. __________________ Toys: Formula 160; iSonic 111; HiFly Move 105; Tiga 263; '85 Mistral Superlight. Maui Sails TR 11.0; 9.2; 8.4; 7.6; 6.6; Maui Sails Switch 6.0; 5.2; Maui Sails Global 4.5; 4.0.

20th September 2011, 07:03 AM	#34
Remi STARBOARD DEVELOPMENT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,338	Hi Greg Up wind and down wind will be not the problem, the only thing I can say is that more the board is wide in the tail more it start to be difficult on reach but this board is for racer and can see you use 12m so should be ok for you at 78kgs. Race organizer usually don't put long reach when is windy so it will be a weapon in this case. All the best __________________ Rémi Can answer if you have any questions on this following boards : Carve 111, 121, 131, 141, 151 & 161 Futura 93, 101, 111, 121, 131 & 141. iSonic 80, 87, 90, 97, 107, 110, 117, 127 & 137 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. UltraSonic 147 Formula Experience One Design Phantom Race 377/320 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Phantom 295 : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Formula 167 & 167 Wide : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Racing Serinity Cat Concept To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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20th September 2011, 12:18 AM	#33
ducze New Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 9	Thanx guys. My question was to clarify as I just sold my old 160 and need to buy new one for 2012. I sail inland with 10,7 and 12 and use Z-Fin E0-. I know that reaching is killing on Formula board but sometimes U need to go downwind get some speed and than go upwind and it can be a problem on such a wide board. Just wanted to check if I will be able to handle that ;-) thanx greg

20th September 2011, 11:53 PM	#35
ducze New Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 9	OK guys, Ordered 167 wide can't wait to try it... Greg

13th October 2011, 12:34 AM	#37
ducze New Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 9	send us some more pics... board looks amazing Greg

13th October 2011, 02:30 PM	#38
raffig Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 49	More importantly, I think that many people are waiting for a decent report on the performance of this board before ordering...

13th October 2011, 04:56 PM	#39
bushfire.one New Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Wollongong, NSW, Australia Posts: 11	Chris Ting (Mr VMG fins) has been out on his new 167W in light winds and is really impressed with the performance - check out the Seabreeze forum. A more detailed report after this weekend's racing.

13th October 2011, 07:39 PM	#40
bubi Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36	Dear Remi Please let me ask you some questions about the new Starboard formula boards I am surfing/racing formula in wind conditions from 10 -30 knots and I am 175cm and 88 kg (sails Severne Reflex II 12 & 11 m2) (Most of the races we done last year the conditions was choppy 15-24 knots) Which of the new Starboard formula board is the best choice for me? (I can buy only one board!) Thanking you in advance. Best regards Bubi