ST115 vs KA117

Guest · 15th May 2007, 04:27 PM

which one will plane earlier for an 83kg experienced guy with a 6.8/6.1 in 15-20 kts?

Guest · 17th May 2007, 06:26 AM

An experienced guy wouldn't ask that question. They are so different in application that you choose the one for the conditions you intend to use it in.:@

Guest · 17th May 2007, 06:23 PM

sure, KA117 is crap (flat or waves), just exchanged it for an ST115 (should do a good job in both).
Thanks for the useful response.

Floyd · 18th May 2007, 04:50 AM

Its not such a daft question at all; especially if you have had either board which I reckon post 2 certainly hasnt.
The ST needs loads of power.It thrives on it but it is not an early planer at all.(Even compared with more similar boards (ie Tabou Rocket which I think is its nearest equivalent)
Once planing it would leave KA for dead but KA will plane earlier volume for volume. (Its bound to)
The ST range is notoriuos for being lower volume than quoted. I reckon my ST126 was around 120litres and performed on water like an even smaller board. In right conditions (ie bordering on overpowered) the board flies/ gybes / jumps. But its slow out the blocks. Exactly opposite to KA !

Guest · 18th May 2007, 02:03 PM

I'm beginnig to get behind the meaning of "techincal ride". The STs do actually plane quite early but you have to find out how. Same might apply to the KAs but after numerous no fun sessions I just dumped the darn thing and went for the STs. So I would agree that STs love lots of power but I would also say that with "techique" they can thive on a lot less than expected. Of course they (ST137) will never kill Hypers, FTs, Formulars in light wind, but they can bother them at times.

Floyd · 19th May 2007, 04:19 AM

ST does not plane early at all !
There are techniques (loads of them) to get planing earlier but all of them apply to nearly all boards. Compared to boards of quoted same volume (and width) ST is a very late planer. (Reckon my Kombat planes as early especially if you know "how".

Guest · 20th May 2007, 12:49 AM

STs planes early, especially if you know how.
ST 115 planes earlier than KA117 believe what you want.
Best technique to plane early with a KA117 is to exchange it for a ST115.

Floyd · 20th May 2007, 06:09 AM

Just because ST planes before a waveboard (KA 117) does not mean its an early planer,
I have a k106 and have had an ST126. In waves the kombat planes earlier. On flat water the ST does but not to the extent you would expect from trhe difference in volume.
Th ST is an easy sailing control oriented slalom board.
Try JP slalom pro 114 for early planing (with same volume)
No comparison. (And neither is there in control of the two boards in chop / hard conditions)
If priority is early planing forget ST range.

Guest · 20th May 2007, 01:43 PM

I agree to some extent, my K86 (sinker) planes (almost) as early as the KA117 (floater) did. Because of bad experience with 2007 Knnn lineup wasn't willing to try K107 anymore.
ST115 is light to medium wind board (15-20kts) and will work well in those conditions (first ride was quite nice but conditions weren't usual so comments will come in later).
ST137 + 8.7 planes as early as 8 kts at 82Kg. It IS a matter of technique.

Guest · 21st May 2007, 12:40 AM

first comparable session on ST115 in 15-20kts onshore with mushy waves (lots of boats, waves don't travel all too far).

ST115 kills KA117 in every respect, waveriding, jumping, catching speed, carving through gybes.

15th May 2007, 04:27 PM	#1
Guest Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,321	ST115 vs KA117 which one will plane earlier for an 83kg experienced guy with a 6.8/6.1 in 15-20 kts?

17th May 2007, 06:26 AM	#2
Guest Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,321	RE: ST115 vs KA117 An experienced guy wouldn't ask that question. They are so different in application that you choose the one for the conditions you intend to use it in.:@

17th May 2007, 06:23 PM	#3
Guest Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,321	RE: ST115 vs KA117 sure, KA117 is crap (flat or waves), just exchanged it for an ST115 (should do a good job in both). Thanks for the useful response.

18th May 2007, 04:50 AM	#4
Floyd Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 459	RE: ST115 vs KA117 Its not such a daft question at all; especially if you have had either board which I reckon post 2 certainly hasnt. The ST needs loads of power.It thrives on it but it is not an early planer at all.(Even compared with more similar boards (ie Tabou Rocket which I think is its nearest equivalent) Once planing it would leave KA for dead but KA will plane earlier volume for volume. (Its bound to) The ST range is notoriuos for being lower volume than quoted. I reckon my ST126 was around 120litres and performed on water like an even smaller board. In right conditions (ie bordering on overpowered) the board flies/ gybes / jumps. But its slow out the blocks. Exactly opposite to KA !

18th May 2007, 02:03 PM	#5
Guest Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,321	RE: ST115 vs KA117 I'm beginnig to get behind the meaning of "techincal ride". The STs do actually plane quite early but you have to find out how. Same might apply to the KAs but after numerous no fun sessions I just dumped the darn thing and went for the STs. So I would agree that STs love lots of power but I would also say that with "techique" they can thive on a lot less than expected. Of course they (ST137) will never kill Hypers, FTs, Formulars in light wind, but they can bother them at times.

19th May 2007, 04:19 AM	#6
Floyd Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 459	RE: ST115 vs KA117 ST does not plane early at all ! There are techniques (loads of them) to get planing earlier but all of them apply to nearly all boards. Compared to boards of quoted same volume (and width) ST is a very late planer. (Reckon my Kombat planes as early especially if you know "how".

20th May 2007, 12:49 AM	#7
Guest Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,321	RE: ST115 vs KA117 STs planes early, especially if you know how. ST 115 planes earlier than KA117 believe what you want. Best technique to plane early with a KA117 is to exchange it for a ST115.

20th May 2007, 06:09 AM	#8
Floyd Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 459	RE: ST115 vs KA117 Just because ST planes before a waveboard (KA 117) does not mean its an early planer, I have a k106 and have had an ST126. In waves the kombat planes earlier. On flat water the ST does but not to the extent you would expect from trhe difference in volume. Th ST is an easy sailing control oriented slalom board. Try JP slalom pro 114 for early planing (with same volume) No comparison. (And neither is there in control of the two boards in chop / hard conditions) If priority is early planing forget ST range.

20th May 2007, 01:43 PM	#9
Guest Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,321	RE: ST115 vs KA117 I agree to some extent, my K86 (sinker) planes (almost) as early as the KA117 (floater) did. Because of bad experience with 2007 Knnn lineup wasn't willing to try K107 anymore. ST115 is light to medium wind board (15-20kts) and will work well in those conditions (first ride was quite nice but conditions weren't usual so comments will come in later). ST137 + 8.7 planes as early as 8 kts at 82Kg. It IS a matter of technique.

21st May 2007, 12:40 AM	#10
Guest Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,321	RE: ST115 vs KA117 first comparable session on ST115 in 15-20kts onshore with mushy waves (lots of boats, waves don't travel all too far). ST115 kills KA117 in every respect, waveriding, jumping, catching speed, carving through gybes.

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