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Old 4th May 2014, 06:31 AM   #1
ardenalan
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Default Adjustable outhaul on Enigma boom

I was setting up adjustable outhaul on my new Enigma booms and wonder
if anyone else has had this issue: I want to attach the cam cleats
about 12-18" aft of my back hand location and this region is where the
boom tubes are quite large in diameter. Here is a link to a picture
that shows the blue plastic cleat attachments I am referring to.
http://www.murrays.com/01-9520.html

The blue ones are the "normal" size and these kits also come with dark
red (maroon) plastic pieces that are a bit larger. But even the dark
red ones aren't big enough to fit around the big diameter of the
enigma tubes.

Does anyone know where to get larger cam cleat attachments? Any other
suggestions?

The only solution I have seen is the sailworks system, but I'm not
sure about using webbing and a lock like that.
http://www.sailworks.com/adjustable-...uble-side.html

Thanks in advance!
Arden
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Old 4th May 2014, 08:50 PM   #2
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Arden,

The largest diameter on the back of a 2014 slalom Enigma boom arm is 33 mm.

http://www.severnesails.com/booms/severne-enigma (check diameter at specifications tab)

Clam cleat clamps for boom arms come in 4 diameters :
- CL105 clamp (black) for tube diameter of 30-32 mm
- CL111 clamp (blue) for tube diameter of 33-35 mm
- CL115 clamp (maroon) for tube diameter of 35-37 mm
- CL134 clamp (grey) for tube diameter of 42-43 mm

The aluminum cleat CL244 is the same for the 4 clamps.

http://www.clamcleat.com/uploads/cle...-and-poles.pdf

If I'm not mistaken, the color shown on the Murray kit clamp is black and therefore fits tube of diameter 30-32 mm, which is too small for your Enigma slalom boom.
I'm a bit surprised that you cannot fit neither the blue nor the maroon color-coded clamp on your boom. Make sure to remove the inner rubber packing/padding on the inside of the clamp so it can fit neatly on your boom arm.

Cheers !

JM

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Old 5th May 2014, 04:42 AM   #3
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JM,

Thank you for the info. The grey ones (CL134) look like they will work. Now, can anyone help me figure out where I can purchase some in the USA? I have only been able to find the blue ones (CL111).

To clarify, the blue clamps and the red clamps both fit in the area of the enigma boom where I hang on - that diameter is about 30mm. But, the cleats get in the way while I am sailing. I want them about 18inches to 24 inches further back, and that is past where the boom transitions to ~40-45mm diameter. The red clamps don't come close to fitting this. Hopefully the grey CL134 will work though.

Thank you again!
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Old 5th May 2014, 11:21 AM   #4
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Arden,

OK, I just measured up the diameter of my 180-226 cm 2014 Enigma boom arm where the big Severne logo is printed on and it's about 39 mm without any compression and about 37 mm under hard compression of the grip!

So, try again with the maroon/red color-coded clamp but with a bit longer screws first so that you can really squash the grip flat. Alternatively, you can carefuly cut out the grip that lies under the clamp.

If anything fails, I guess the only last option to go is to purchase a CL134 clamp and add a shim between the clamp and the boom arm.

USA distributor :

Seadog Corporation

BOX 479
Everett
Washington 98206
U.S.A.
Phone: (425) 259 0194
Fax: (425) 339 1345
Email: oemsales@sea-dog.com
Website: www.sea-dog.com

Cheers !

JM

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Old 5th May 2014, 03:57 PM   #5
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JM,

Thanks for all the info. Yes, I want to put the cleats back further on the arms by the large SEVERNE logo. On my booms it measures at least 42mm without squishing the grip. I have tried getting the dark red clamps on there but even with larger screws I can't get them closed enough to hold the cleat.

I checked on the sea-dog website and they do not have the the larger clamps listed online. So I called their phone number and they said the large CL134 clamps aren't carried in stock but they will check on ordering them. Hopefully that turns out well, but they did say they usually can't order small quantities - they usually need a volume order on something out of stock.

So, does anyone know about a place that has these clamps in stock?

Thanks,
Arden
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Old 5th May 2014, 04:26 PM   #6
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Arden,

OK, for 42 mm diameter, go for CL134 clamp. Try to order directly here from UK :

http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/clea...asp?theid2=133

Inquires on order : http://www.clamcleat.com/contact/contact.asp

Cheers !

JM

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Old 5th May 2014, 04:47 PM   #7
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Cleat CL134 clamp inquiries :

- email Hans Schuttert at info@boarderzone.nl
- email Phil McGain at phil.mcgain@mauisails.com

Cheers !

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Old 5th May 2014, 05:06 PM   #8
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Thanks! I had tried the clamcleat.com inquiry form but haven't heard anything yet. Although it's only been 1 day...

But I will try Hans and Phil as well.

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Old 6th May 2014, 10:13 AM   #9
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Hi Arden, there is nothing wrong with the webbing type adjustable outhaul systems, don't know about the Sailworks one but I use the point 7 adjustable outhaul and it is fantastic, fitted in seconds on any size of boom and no need to cut anything, take a look.
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Old 8th May 2014, 11:59 PM   #10
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Phil at Maui Sails was able to hook me up! Thanks for the tip. I have a pair of 134 clamps to go with the 244 cleats in the mail. I'll post again when I get them installed.

Thanks!
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