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Old 6th June 2007, 08:28 AM   #11
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Default RE: Please help in choosing a 9.5 sail - cam or no cam?

I would also add my vote to the GTX or mauisails MS-2 over a no cam sail.
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Old 6th June 2007, 03:30 PM   #12
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Default RE: Please help in choosing a 9.5 sail - cam or no cam?

Hi

choise of sail type also depends on wind and water konditions.
Stabel side and onshore no cam is fine. When sailing in gusty unstabel offshore, a camed sail is better IMO. There you choose 1/2 ti 1 m2 bigger to keep speed and upwindability in the holes. so a camed freerace or race sail is better.

Dont forget the Severne Overdrive (3 cam), it is a very easy rigged sail, super tunable, light feeling. 4 roller downhaul system, I can easy overdownhaul my 8,5 with bare hands. Put in the mast, pop cams on, downhaul to specs., ready to go.
I would choose a new GTX or Owerdrive(works fine with 70% carbon masts).
The right mast and adj. outhaul is a must in these sizes, dont wast money and time on compromises.


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Old 6th June 2007, 05:11 PM   #13
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Default RE: North Sails DAYTONA vs. Sailworks Retro

And how about North Sails DAYTONA 2007 10.0 ?? http://www.north-windsurf.com/sails/daytona

I just got a deal on this sail. It rigs on a 490/28-32 (with a NS carbon extender) which means that, like with Retro, I won't need a new mast and has cams, true, but NS's new HYPER.CAMS system promises easy rigging(?). Plus I like the brand and I wouldn't have to buy it in another country (support).
On the other hand it does not quite look like a beginner sail...

So what do you think? Should I go for NS Daytona or get Retro (for the same money)? How does these two compare?

Can't wait your opinions.

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Old 7th June 2007, 09:26 PM   #14
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Hey Guest
I haven't used a 10m Daytona, but I've used 9.0 a lot. Carbon xTender is maybe a nice try (with regard to quiver planning, spending less on masts, etc), but it doesn't work very well. That's not only my opinion, other sailors confirmed that Daytonas work much better on longer stiffer masts.
That said, I like Daytona very much, it's not a beginner's sail, but it handles better than a Warp and the cam rotation is the best I've ever seen.
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Old 8th June 2007, 06:25 PM   #15
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Go for:

Challenger Fluido 9.8 no cam sail that is made for 490 mast.

http://www.challengersails.com/web2007/en/fluido.html

A great sail. I recommend it strongly!

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Old 12th June 2007, 11:58 AM   #16
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QUOTE: "Carbon xTender is maybe a nice try but it doesn't work very well."

Why ... I have a Platinum Xtender with a 460 mast and it is awesome. I cannot tell any difference at all. For what do you think that it doesnt work very well?
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Old 13th June 2007, 12:08 AM   #17
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Well something's wrong if can't tell absolutely no difference. Have you tested it side by side against longer mast? I have, I really gave it a try (Daytona 9.0). Maybe it's working better for lightweight sailors, I don't know. Many sailors confirmed what I've found, check the archives if you're interested (mark h, ola, roger, etc).
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Old 13th June 2007, 04:00 AM   #18
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Default RE: Please help in choosing a 9.5 sail - cam or no cam?

I just spent an hour fixing one of the cambers and the batten in my 9.8 cam sail. While doing the repair I kept weighing the benefits of the cams. All my other sails are cam-less. But, I'm pretty sure when I replace this sail I'll get another cam model. I will test a 10.0 Retro before I make any final decisions, but I like the low end grunt I get with the cams... and the high wind stability.

I find it to be a tough decision for me. I know I would be happy with either.
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Old 13th June 2007, 06:13 AM   #19
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Guys,

I got 2007 Daytona 10.0 the other day. I sailed it a couple of times (low wind + few stronger gusts).
What can I say...what a great sail. Great piece of technology, feels (and looks;-)) like a Formula racing car but was easy to handle.
Rigging is a joke, it rigs better than my Gaastra Matrix (no cam). Insert the mast (the pocket is wider, so it gets in easier) above the cams, dowhaul 70%, outhaul to the max (so the cams get in easier), open the cam pockets, push the battens down so the 3 cams get on the mast (they have rollers and get in very easily), finish/correct downhaul/outhaul and voila!
It pulls very strongly, but gently, sort of like you had your board pulled by someone with a rope, funny, soft feeling ;-). It doesn't get crazy with the gusts or wind direction changes - it just gently informs you that you need to adjust to the new conditions. I guess this is the effect of cams.
It rotates very firmly, too.
It is heavier and more difficult to carry or get off the water, but once it's up it feels light.
I can't wait to try it when the wind is stronger.
I use the carbon extender with my 490 and on the sails it says it's the "best" combination, whereas 520 is only "o.k."...why would North put it this way, not the other (520 "best"), if it wasn't the case?
The only thing I'm not sure is how to use "visual downhaul marks" that are on the sail (for outhaul it's obvious) - any thoughts?

So I guess I'm pretty much done with my sails for that board (FT 148). I'll keep 7.5 for these really strong days and try to use 10.0 in all other conditions.

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Old 13th June 2007, 07:27 AM   #20
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Default RE: Please help in choosing a 9.5 sail - cam or no cam?

That's one of the options I've been thinking about... the Daytona and Warp are two I've been curious to test out. Thanks for the info.

How durable is the sail? Is it really all monofilm or is it made of something more durable than that?

The visual tuning marks are pretty simple... for light wind, set the downhaul so that the leach is loose to the mark closest to the leach. for high wind, set the downhaul so that the leach is loose to the mark closest to the mast. If there is only one mark, assume that the mark is ideal, use more downhaul for more wind or less downhaul for less wind. (did I answer your question???)

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