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Old 7th December 2009, 10:45 PM   #51
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Why not a narrow long hull with a flat bottom. In the centre there is a permanent (simplicity) 1 metre dagger. The dagger will be balanced by a very wide deck in the middle or "wings" like on a skiff:

http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/photos/06/1211/1.jpg

I think Tiesda actually had a prototype of such a board some years ago.

The thing will fly upwind with a 10.0 sail in next to no wind, and in heavy air you fly it downwind while standing on the wings....

Well, maybe not that simple but for sure challenging..


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Old 8th December 2009, 02:36 PM   #52
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oyWMusaDTI Such boards are quite difficult to keep stable. Another concept is to balance hydrodynamic lift between a planning hull in the front and two angled fins. There are different design options depending on wind range, but it will not work in low wind.
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Old 9th December 2009, 04:56 AM   #53
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The concept of combining the best gear of its class with 1 FW board in planing wind + 1 Serenity in schlogging wind is gaining more and more acceptance during the 2008 and 2009 german race championship (DWSV or german windsurfing association).

That particular format is known as the Starboard Serenity match race :

http://ftp.dwsv.net/News_2008/STARBO...MATCH_RACE.htm

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Old 11th December 2009, 03:03 AM   #54
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there is nothing stopping people using a non race sail on a formula board.

a large 5 or 6 battened very light sail could work great in very light winds on a formula board.

i use a 7.7m race sail on my formula as hate the feel + weight of larger race sails.

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Old 12th December 2009, 09:43 PM   #55
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Old 20th December 2009, 03:50 AM   #56
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In my opinion, the most interesting class today is hybrid raceboard, more precisely Starboard Phantom 320, as

- Formulas are the result of a deviance whereby to get planning at all costs, you find yourself with a gear excessive in all its characteristics, ugly, fat, expensive, ridiculous.

- Traditional raceboards are interesting, but too long to be pleasant when the wind goes up.

Starboard Phantom 320 represents a new and very interesting compromise :

- accessible to beginners, still interesting for experienced (I have 30 years of windsurf, 5 Starboards, and the one I find the most interesting to sail is my Phantom 320)

- really pleasant, interesting, performing, technical, from the slightest wind to force 6,

- fun and interesting behaviour in strong winds, notably surprising jibes

- enough volume (230 liters) to suit light or heavy weights

- relatively affordable, compared to alternatives

The only issue is the size of rigs. These boards are fine with around 7.5, which remains a reasonable size. I dont want to use a 9.5 one ton, 12 cambers, oversized rig that needs a crane to come out of water. No, thats another deviance. Back to performance in simplicity and accessibility or we will kill the sport, which is almost already done, competition being already dead due to these mistakes.

The good idea would be to elect gear that can be a link between an accessible practise and the practise of specialists. Beginners and passionate on the same board ? to try and revive windsurf as a large audience sport ? Phantom 320 has this potential. Try it.
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Old 20th December 2009, 08:08 PM   #57
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Interesting, and I'm also curious about the Phantom 320 (of which there exist zero in Denmark..).
Anyway I don't think there's any chance of getting the full potential without at least a 9.5 m2 rig (I'm close to 100 kgs fully dressed).
On my Equipe there's a significant difference in light wind performance between my 10.3 and 8.5 sail (the 10.3 has plenty of power to rail the board, but the 8.5 is balancing better while planing though).
A 7.5 is a medium to high wind sail to me (16 to 25 knots of wind).

Does anybody have any experience of the 320 vs traditional longboards? In light wind or the heavy stuff.

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Old 20th December 2009, 11:45 PM   #58
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I have a 320 2009, and am so enthusiastic about it I also ordered the 2010. I use it with 78 RAM F9.

In very light winds, it is very pleasant, as pleasant as my old Lechner (yes!).
In strong winds, it is interesting and technical. Easy to sail, technical to get it at its maximum. Always provides a "raceboard feeling", a board which waits for you to get the maximum out of it.

I had no opportunity yet to compare with a traditional raceboard, my guess would be
- less performance upwind in all conditions
- more performance downwind
- more versatility and fun
- more technicity (more dynamic weight placement)
- less performance in light winds, but not much

besides, you can also use it as a kayak, with the kayak seat sold by Bic for the Jungle, which is very pleasant

finally the right compromise
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Old 22nd December 2009, 06:30 AM   #59
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I think the raceboard class will be an arms race and currently is an arms race.
In some races that i know of racers have Div 2 boards as well as traditional longboard and whens things get really light, this puts them into a whole different performance category.
But in a way is that any different then formula , like you said when some people are dropping out due to $800 fins?
Going OD rule , thats the way, the kona would be the best.
A heavy weight will always be last even with a 10.0 in 6 knots windspeed all other things being equal.
I like raceboard rule, well I should say I am stuck with it as there are no konas up here.
So I am stuck with the consensus.
My only consolation is the fact that the racers I want to beat are all heavy, 180 to over 200 lbs, so in that regard its a race between us.
And my old f-2 lightning race was only 500 bucks in mint shape.
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Old 22nd December 2009, 07:27 AM   #60
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Yes, but for the Kona one design racing, heavy weights use a 9.0, medium weights a 7.4 and lighter sailors a smaller sail.
Results over the past years show that heavyweights can compete with the lighter sailors in most wind strengths. With no pumping, it's a fair system.
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