Formula 162 - Page 3

Acme · 4th March 2008, 03:24 PM

Hello,

I would like to know what is the best position for the footstraps.

Thanks in advanced.

Hank · 20th March 2008, 05:42 PM

Does anyone have any experience with the new R20 fin from Deboichet ?

I know Remi wrote about it being better than the R19 on the new 162.

I'd like to know how it is compared to the R19 on a 161 ?

Would the R20 be suitable on the 161 ?

Or is the R19 a better choice for this board ?

Best regards Hank

Thomas · 20th March 2008, 06:59 PM

Hi,

and my question is what happens if you rail the board downwind with R20 like we use to do with our current fins,this however is the only way to accelerate fast in the gusts and keep the wetted surface as small as possible.
I was a owner of a rather much to stiff R19 and before ordering R20 i have another couple of questions,for example is it possible to measure the bending of R20 compare to R19?

Maybe connected to the board and load the tip with a certain weight?

If it´s not possible zu evince a R20 is much more softer than R19 we will for sure order none this time.

Thank´s in advance and kind regards,Thomas

Hank · 24th March 2008, 06:35 AM

No one who has any feedback on the fins and boards ?

Remi · 24th March 2008, 01:33 PM

Hi Thomas and Hank,

The R20 is much softer than any of Deboichet fins you get until now. For exemple is softer than a R13 Soft --.

By the way the R19 was wining the Formula Windsurfing European with Julien Quentel and still his favorite one for light wind and flat water.

All the best

Hank · 24th March 2008, 04:51 PM

Remi thanks for the info, have 2 additional questions.

For a 79 kilo windsurfer:

Would the R20 be suitable on the 161 ?

Or is the R19 still a better choice for this board ?

Thomas · 24th March 2008, 08:13 PM

Dear Remi,thank you very much for answering.

I won´t take part in any rumours and speculations but I would bet a few cents that Juliens R19 is a lot different compared to what a normal human customer gets from Deboichet.
We had three R19 and all have been a lot to stiff,driven hard upwind always very prone for unexpected spin out,no matter on the trim.

My experience related to formula fins tells me that a fins that is not capable of taking the extra load when railed up downwind has a bad torsional stiffness and twists a lot when railed what slows you down and/or makes it hard to keep the deepest angle without loosing speed.

Let´s wait and see,kind regards,Thomas

Remi · 25th March 2008, 08:48 AM

Hi Thomas and Hank,

You know each racer have his own style, for exemple the Julien R19 was really stiff and full production one and like it in light wind. Wojtek was using R13 hard ++ rake + 10cm in light wind. Other racers prefer extremelly soft fin in the same condition like the R13 soft -- or the R17 soft. The new R20 have a new profil and more softer than any fins that Deboichet make until now. It's another style but can learn after one hour. The new profil give you power and the softness confort and speed.

The new R20 work well also on the F161, not the same style as the R19. I prefer the the R19 in flat water and the R20 in choppy water.

Hope this help.

All the best

Thomas · 25th March 2008, 05:03 PM

Dear Remi,

thank´s a lot again for answering.

Unfortunately I get no response these days from Oriana concerning the date the R20 can be ordered.

How is your knowledge about this one?

Kind regards,Thomas

Hank · 26th March 2008, 05:16 AM

Hi again Remi.

Thanks for your answers to all the questions.

I do have one more question though, you wrote that "R20 work with the board flat" - this applies for the 162. Would it be the same for the 161 that you need to sail more flat ?

20th March 2008, 05:42 PM	#22
Hank Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 46	Experiences with the R20 fin ? Does anyone have any experience with the new R20 fin from Deboichet ? I know Remi wrote about it being better than the R19 on the new 162. I'd like to know how it is compared to the R19 on a 161 ? Would the R20 be suitable on the 161 ? Or is the R19 a better choice for this board ? Best regards Hank

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4th March 2008, 03:24 PM	#21
Acme New Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 7	Hello, I would like to know what is the best position for the footstraps. Thanks in advanced.

20th March 2008, 06:59 PM	#23
Thomas New Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 9	Hi, and my question is what happens if you rail the board downwind with R20 like we use to do with our current fins,this however is the only way to accelerate fast in the gusts and keep the wetted surface as small as possible. I was a owner of a rather much to stiff R19 and before ordering R20 i have another couple of questions,for example is it possible to measure the bending of R20 compare to R19? Maybe connected to the board and load the tip with a certain weight? If it´s not possible zu evince a R20 is much more softer than R19 we will for sure order none this time. Thank´s in advance and kind regards,Thomas

24th March 2008, 06:35 AM	#24
Hank Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 46	No one who has any feedback on the fins and boards ?

24th March 2008, 01:33 PM	#25
Remi STARBOARD DEVELOPMENT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,334	Hi Thomas and Hank, The R20 is much softer than any of Deboichet fins you get until now. For exemple is softer than a R13 Soft --. By the way the R19 was wining the Formula Windsurfing European with Julien Quentel and still his favorite one for light wind and flat water. All the best

24th March 2008, 04:51 PM	#26
Hank Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 46	Remi thanks for the info, have 2 additional questions. For a 79 kilo windsurfer: Would the R20 be suitable on the 161 ? Or is the R19 still a better choice for this board ?

24th March 2008, 08:13 PM	#27
Thomas New Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 9	Dear Remi,thank you very much for answering. I won´t take part in any rumours and speculations but I would bet a few cents that Juliens R19 is a lot different compared to what a normal human customer gets from Deboichet. We had three R19 and all have been a lot to stiff,driven hard upwind always very prone for unexpected spin out,no matter on the trim. My experience related to formula fins tells me that a fins that is not capable of taking the extra load when railed up downwind has a bad torsional stiffness and twists a lot when railed what slows you down and/or makes it hard to keep the deepest angle without loosing speed. Let´s wait and see,kind regards,Thomas

25th March 2008, 08:48 AM	#28
Remi STARBOARD DEVELOPMENT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,334	Hi Thomas and Hank, You know each racer have his own style, for exemple the Julien R19 was really stiff and full production one and like it in light wind. Wojtek was using R13 hard ++ rake + 10cm in light wind. Other racers prefer extremelly soft fin in the same condition like the R13 soft -- or the R17 soft. The new R20 have a new profil and more softer than any fins that Deboichet make until now. It's another style but can learn after one hour. The new profil give you power and the softness confort and speed. The new R20 work well also on the F161, not the same style as the R19. I prefer the the R19 in flat water and the R20 in choppy water. Hope this help. All the best

25th March 2008, 05:03 PM	#29
Thomas New Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 9	Dear Remi, thank´s a lot again for answering. Unfortunately I get no response these days from Oriana concerning the date the R20 can be ordered. How is your knowledge about this one? Kind regards,Thomas

26th March 2008, 05:16 AM	#30
Hank Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 46	Hi again Remi. Thanks for your answers to all the questions. I do have one more question though, you wrote that "R20 work with the board flat" - this applies for the 162. Would it be the same for the 161 that you need to sail more flat ?