EVo or Acid for 4,7 weather in Denmark - Page 2

Ola_H · 4th July 2008, 02:36 AM

Aah, that's tough. The 06 is sweet and so is the 08. More top turn smoothness and high end control on the 08 but maybe not 4000 more unless one is very particular.

But before deciding, look around for a 07 70. One of those at a good price is the best bargin. Maybe the Swedish importer has one? www.onwater.se

Winther · 7th July 2008, 12:39 PM

Hi Ola.

I have got a qoute for the 2007 - but it doesn't seem to be a very good deal.

Prices look like New 08 from DK = New 07 from Sweeden. Used 08 from DK = 1000 kr less, but still quite far from the 07 offer I went for.

It seems that you like the 07 better than the 08 for high end controle and top turn smoothness and that that the 08 might give me a little more 5,3 usability - is this correct?

And the 06 is a little more early planning but less in controle for the big 4,0 days.

At the same price - more or less - for 07 or 08 I guess the 08 is the better choice - or?

Yours
Lars W.

Ola_H · 7th July 2008, 03:01 PM

Relative the 06 (and earlier version) the 07 and 08 are truly a bit "developed" ie the do a few things better without really being worse at anything else. The 06 (and 04-05) are also very good though.

Between the 07 and 08, you can say that the 08 is just a bit bigger. The main difference between then is in thickness (also a bit thicker rails). I would estimate there is in practice a 2 liter volume difference between the two. This affects high speed riding a bit where the 07 has an edge. But as you say, the 08 will probably get you going a bit earlier with a 5.3.

At the same price, it could be smart to get the 08 is you think about selling the board some time, but that aside, it is really a matter of priorities. For me the 07 is better, but you are heavier so unless you want the board primarily for fast, bit waves the 08 may be as good.

But again, the two boards are really very, very similar overall so you can safely let price and availability decide. A 07 at a good price would be a bargin, but you will not go wrong with 08 either.

bigblue · 8th July 2008, 02:07 PM

Ola, could you give me a picture of how a Kombat 79, Acid 80 and Evo 80 would behave when sailing in a strait line in choppy costal water, 1 m waves (Swedish Westcoast). Winds around 15-17 m/s.

Ola_H · 8th July 2008, 02:40 PM

Ouch, 13-17m/s on 80 liter boards. Then you might want a fair bit more body weight than my 70 kilos.

But I can try. The PA80 and K79 are very similar. For straightline sailing I would say the K79 has a bit more range which it get my extending the light wind/big sail carrying ability. In the high wind range the PA80 had a slight edge. But on a wave the converse holds - the PA80 get a bigger speed range with only a very slight handicap in slower conditions bit a significantly bigger high speed range. The K79 has the benefit of the ability to mount two straps back which will increase the ability to hold super powered up sails.

But overall similar feel.

The EVO 80 is a completely different board. More rocker and a less "defined" feel in a straight line. It's a boards you buy to ride waves. When you already have it so to say, it will do a fair job in high wind straight line sailing, but if that is the priority the K79 or PA80 is a better choice.

bigblue · 8th July 2008, 08:33 PM

Thanks Ola. I'm 76 kg and presently sailing a 93 liter FSW board down to a 4,7. I usually works fine to appx 14 m/s. I just assumed that the 80 liter would be the next step down but I'd be happy to look at smaller versions as well.

bigblue · 8th July 2008, 09:33 PM

On the same note. I could tell from your reply that you thought an 80 liter board was a bit big for 13-17 m/s

. I am sure you are right but at the same time the K79 is quoted for 5.5-3.5 sails. So is the PA80. In my book that span would bee fine for high winds. Could you fill me in on why the 80 liter boards are quoted for such small sails (3.5) and at the same time not your choice when it comes to size?

Ola_H · 8th July 2008, 10:21 PM

If you're 80-85 kilos or something that quote might be spot on. For me at 70 the K79 total range would be something like 4.2-6.2 with a 4.5-5.5 sweet spot. The biggest board I comfortably use in powered up 3.5 winds is the EVO 70 (and I can use it up to 5.5 when I need to).

But it is hard to say how the wind range works for different people. Its a lot about what you personally perceive as a too big board. If you're used to motoring a rather big board like the 93 you have in up to 13m/s, then you will not have problems with an Acid 80 in 17m/s. But at 76 kilo you would probably in the long run be better off with an Acid 74 as a high wind board. Fun from 5.3 and down so a fair overlap with that 93l fsw.

Winther · 21st August 2008, 05:17 PM

Hi Ola.

It pays to be patient. I actually managed to get a 2008 Evo 70 brand new at a very fair price. Now I am only awaiting the wind to arrive - so I can have a try at it.

Yours
Winther

Ola_H · 21st August 2008, 08:03 PM

Cool. Please report back when you've sailed it. Always nice with some feedback.

8th July 2008, 02:07 PM	#14
bigblue New Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 15	Evo, Kombat, Acid as BJ board Ola, could you give me a picture of how a Kombat 79, Acid 80 and Evo 80 would behave when sailing in a strait line in choppy costal water, 1 m waves (Swedish Westcoast). Winds around 15-17 m/s.

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4th July 2008, 02:36 AM	#11
Ola_H TEAM Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,191	Aah, that's tough. The 06 is sweet and so is the 08. More top turn smoothness and high end control on the 08 but maybe not 4000 more unless one is very particular. But before deciding, look around for a 07 70. One of those at a good price is the best bargin. Maybe the Swedish importer has one? www.onwater.se

7th July 2008, 12:39 PM	#12
Winther New Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 11	Hi Ola. I have got a qoute for the 2007 - but it doesn't seem to be a very good deal. Prices look like New 08 from DK = New 07 from Sweeden. Used 08 from DK = 1000 kr less, but still quite far from the 07 offer I went for. It seems that you like the 07 better than the 08 for high end controle and top turn smoothness and that that the 08 might give me a little more 5,3 usability - is this correct? And the 06 is a little more early planning but less in controle for the big 4,0 days. At the same price - more or less - for 07 or 08 I guess the 08 is the better choice - or? Yours Lars W.

7th July 2008, 03:01 PM	#13
Ola_H TEAM Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,191	Relative the 06 (and earlier version) the 07 and 08 are truly a bit "developed" ie the do a few things better without really being worse at anything else. The 06 (and 04-05) are also very good though. Between the 07 and 08, you can say that the 08 is just a bit bigger. The main difference between then is in thickness (also a bit thicker rails). I would estimate there is in practice a 2 liter volume difference between the two. This affects high speed riding a bit where the 07 has an edge. But as you say, the 08 will probably get you going a bit earlier with a 5.3. At the same price, it could be smart to get the 08 is you think about selling the board some time, but that aside, it is really a matter of priorities. For me the 07 is better, but you are heavier so unless you want the board primarily for fast, bit waves the 08 may be as good. But again, the two boards are really very, very similar overall so you can safely let price and availability decide. A 07 at a good price would be a bargin, but you will not go wrong with 08 either.

8th July 2008, 02:40 PM	#15
Ola_H TEAM Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,191	Ouch, 13-17m/s on 80 liter boards. Then you might want a fair bit more body weight than my 70 kilos. But I can try. The PA80 and K79 are very similar. For straightline sailing I would say the K79 has a bit more range which it get my extending the light wind/big sail carrying ability. In the high wind range the PA80 had a slight edge. But on a wave the converse holds - the PA80 get a bigger speed range with only a very slight handicap in slower conditions bit a significantly bigger high speed range. The K79 has the benefit of the ability to mount two straps back which will increase the ability to hold super powered up sails. But overall similar feel. The EVO 80 is a completely different board. More rocker and a less "defined" feel in a straight line. It's a boards you buy to ride waves. When you already have it so to say, it will do a fair job in high wind straight line sailing, but if that is the priority the K79 or PA80 is a better choice.

8th July 2008, 08:33 PM	#16
bigblue New Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 15	Thanks Ola. I'm 76 kg and presently sailing a 93 liter FSW board down to a 4,7. I usually works fine to appx 14 m/s. I just assumed that the 80 liter would be the next step down but I'd be happy to look at smaller versions as well.

8th July 2008, 09:33 PM	#17
bigblue New Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 15	On the same note. I could tell from your reply that you thought an 80 liter board was a bit big for 13-17 m/s . I am sure you are right but at the same time the K79 is quoted for 5.5-3.5 sails. So is the PA80. In my book that span would bee fine for high winds. Could you fill me in on why the 80 liter boards are quoted for such small sails (3.5) and at the same time not your choice when it comes to size?

8th July 2008, 10:21 PM	#18
Ola_H TEAM Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,191	If you're 80-85 kilos or something that quote might be spot on. For me at 70 the K79 total range would be something like 4.2-6.2 with a 4.5-5.5 sweet spot. The biggest board I comfortably use in powered up 3.5 winds is the EVO 70 (and I can use it up to 5.5 when I need to). But it is hard to say how the wind range works for different people. Its a lot about what you personally perceive as a too big board. If you're used to motoring a rather big board like the 93 you have in up to 13m/s, then you will not have problems with an Acid 80 in 17m/s. But at 76 kilo you would probably in the long run be better off with an Acid 74 as a high wind board. Fun from 5.3 and down so a fair overlap with that 93l fsw.

21st August 2008, 05:17 PM	#19
Winther New Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 11	Hi Ola. It pays to be patient. I actually managed to get a 2008 Evo 70 brand new at a very fair price. Now I am only awaiting the wind to arrive - so I can have a try at it. Yours Winther

21st August 2008, 08:03 PM	#20
Ola_H TEAM Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,191	Cool. Please report back when you've sailed it. Always nice with some feedback.