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Old 31st July 2008, 01:38 AM   #31
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Hi Duncan,
I agree with you on putting a 9.0sqm on a stand-up board, that would not be good match that is for sure. But something to think about is trying a 7.5 or 8.0 on a Futura 155. A buddy of mine sails a Futura 155 with a 7.5 and gets it planing in about 10 to 12knts of wind. He has been sailing the SB 155 Formula so he has the whole wide board thing dialed in. He pumps up on a plane in nothing and just keeps going. I would probably fill the sail gap between the 6.0 and the 9.0 and see if you could demo a couple of boards. I was amazed when I tried my friend Futura 155 with his 7.5sqm sail. It took me a few trys to get use to the wide board but once I figured out how to get it to plane off the wind with a few pumps and then drive it back up wind it was a blast. I've been riding narrow boards for a long time so the transition to the modern wide shapes takes some getting use too. My Slalom board is 9'6" x 22" wide, I've been playing around with a Hypersonic 133 218X77cm Wide with a 7.0sqm sail but I've only had a couple of brief runs on it. I wish I could tell you what wind speed I got it planing at but just haven't had enough time out on it to figure that out. The weather here hasn't been to good for sailing to much rain and lightning. Well good luck in your quest. Mike
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Old 31st July 2008, 03:37 AM   #32
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Duncan , I thought it was pretty clear our little side discussion sparked by Rogers (quite correct) comments weren't directed at you. Therapy I love that, like "am I mad to spend this much on gear ?". Yeah I've certainly wondered that at times, but still tell would be w/surfers it's only as expensive as you want to make it.

Anyway F122 is great 13-20 but I found it frustrating under that. I've spent an afternoon thinking this is a nice summer breeze I should be blasting, and I've got to work like crazy to get up for the occasional run. Unless you're happy for plenty of stop/start I wouldn't go under 75cm (F133).
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Old 2nd August 2008, 03:32 AM   #33
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(sorry for jumping in Your topic, but .... )

Hi Rogger & others

Can you suggest me board for light wind ~8-12 knots, because I would like
to get 1 board to cover this gap. Because during my vacation this spot more
less every day have conditions like that.

My specs: - 95 kg heavy / 190 cm hight
My Skil: - planing in footstraps and carve gibe
My goald: - freride planing

Board: - Futura 133
Sails: - 6.0 Gaastra Swift / 7.5 Neil Pride V6 / 9.0 Simmer 3-XC
Fins: - 48 cm / 52 cm

What will be good sugestion for Me Futura 155? Is there some board like F-type
in production or in plans for next year?

What will be size of the sail necessary to get planing according to my weight (95kg)?
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Old 2nd August 2008, 07:38 AM   #34
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Hi prpa,
I would suggest you look for an Apollo, or an Isonic 150.
The Apollo is 160 liters and 100 cm wide.
The Isonic 150 is 150 liters and 93 cm wide.
I would also suggest a 10.0-11.0 m2 free race rig (Sailworks Retro, Gaastra GTX, NP V8, Severne Overdrive/Gator.
Without the wide board and big sail, at your weight, I'm afraid you'll be in the "sub planing" realm under 10 knots.
Hope this helps,

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Old 5th August 2008, 04:12 AM   #35
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Hi Rogger
thanks a lot for your quick replay. I was planing to buy 2nd hand sail from Formula
guys in my region (they change sails every 1-2 years, so I can get 11-12m2 for
not so much big money).
I plan to keep my Futura 133, and get this bigger board for my holidays location.

Do you think that SB should introduce this option in freerace kind of board, like before?
(Before SB had Carve & S-type & F-type) now >> only Futura

Thanks again
Alen
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Old 5th August 2008, 07:18 AM   #36
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Hi Alen,
Ummmm.... you want to buy a formula racing sail, but do you want to get the really expensive mast, use an adjustable outhaul, have alot of cams, or....... do you just want to get planing soonest?
Big difference between a full on Formula Race sail...550 100% carbon mast, best to have a 100% carbon wide rear boom, best to have an adjustable outhaul system........
and a 9.5-11.0 m2 Free Race sail like the ones I suggested before.
Probably a shorter, less expensive mast, no requirement for full carbon wide back end boom, adjustable outhaul if you like, OK if you don't like, and a lot less pumping to get planing early.
Why..... the free race designs are about low end power and early planing....
The top level formula race sails are about extending the range of the sail to 20 knots
+.
So, 2 completely different design philosophies.
I do not know if Starboard needs to bring back a "free race" type board.
I do not believe the S-Types or the F-Types were really big in sales, and the company
cannot keep making all sorts of models to suit all sorts of sailors, if they do not sell well enough to recover the cost to develop and tool up to make them.
Hope this helps,
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Old 5th August 2008, 03:29 PM   #37
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"Since you are looking for 10-20 knots, there probably isn't a "one board" solution, but you are on the right track."

If you 'need' more than one board for 10-20 knots, how many boards and sails does the average sailor 'need' to sail in all conditions?
Bingo! Where does it stop really?
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Old 6th August 2008, 03:46 AM   #38
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Hi Roger
thanks a lot for your point of view on Free race/Formula sails, I think I learned
something new.
Idea from my side was simply financial, in my region I can find 2nd hand 2 years old
Sail11-12m2+100%CMast+Boom+Extension for arround 900 Euro, which is maybe
price of new only the carbon boom, and Freerace sails so big are realy reare to find.

Thanks, Alen
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Old 7th August 2008, 02:45 AM   #39
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Hi Alen,
..... the free race designs are about low end power and early planing....
The top level formula race sails are about extending the range of the sail to 20 knots
+.
,
Now that matches what I thought I knew, but with FOD it's been stated the use of overdrive was for a winder wind range. When I've had a chance to go out on such big gear in those winds I must admit I've opted for something more manageable so I have no direct experience of 11M freerace v race at 20knots plus,
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Bingo! Where does it stop really?
You might say 80/72/68/66/64/62/60 - so make that seven.

Or you could say with one long board.
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