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Old 2nd October 2008, 11:33 PM   #11
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When interested,
keep your Eyes on Luderitz this Weekend. There are epic conditions on the way...
Maybe the 50 will be blown.
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Old 3rd October 2008, 03:46 AM   #12
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Moth to FW cross over is around 12 knots
http://www.kasail.com/windsurfing/news/12june07.html
would have been intesting to use an Apollo

and good luck for th weekend winds.....
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Old 4th October 2008, 05:59 AM   #13
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seems that the Kiters (actually french S. Cattelan) have borken the 'Magic 50' !!!

so the windsurfer have to go for 55 now ...

http://www.luderitz-speed.com/Conten....aspx?pageid=1

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Old 4th October 2008, 05:42 PM   #14
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damn ... i was counting on AA for that one to fall ... well, there goed my bet i guess.
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Old 4th October 2008, 10:56 PM   #15
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Maybe the windsurfers drop in again at Luderitz,
when the Sylt cup is over...
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Old 4th October 2008, 10:58 PM   #16
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Maybe the windsurfers drop in again at Luderitz,
when the Sylt cup is over...
They are pushing the limits again, new record today
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Old 6th October 2008, 02:13 PM   #17
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In my opinion a kiter is a aircraft, not a sailing vessel. German law says the same (for insurance)
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Old 6th October 2008, 10:59 PM   #18
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In my opinion a kiter is a aircraft, not a sailing vessel. German law says the same (for insurance)
Interesting point: by using the
(+) water as an "anchor point" (= trough the board) and
(+) a "flying craft" (= kite) for the sail

they are a sort of marriage between a
(+) sailing craft (= windsurfer?) and a
(+) flying craft (= paraglider).

I believe that Kites have good chances to be faster than windsurfers in speed runs because in comparison with WS they are catching the wind
(+) higher above the ground and
(+) faaaar leeward of the board.

As a consequence they can afford
(+) catching stronger, less turbulent winds in the heights and at the same time
(+) have virtually NO wind on the water surface (imagine a 1 meter tall wall immediately windward of the speed-streep...) which translates into "ultra-omni-glassy-flat-water" and thus....speeeeeed!

Moreover I believe that the currently used kites are FAR from optimal sailing kites:
they do not hold their shape very well (inflated...) and have a lot of unnecessary surface that creates more drag than propulsion (the tips of the kite's U-shape).

A rigid structure Kite (imagine a Hang-Glider with lines ) would probably make the "Rigid Kites" by far faster than the current "Floppy Kites".

In conclusion I see a hard time for WS to be the fastest sailing craft on the long run if somebody doesn't ban kites because of being "flying craft" as pointed out by poster #17

Just my opinion - comments Welcome.
Regards, Aco

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Old 6th October 2008, 11:35 PM   #19
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Interesting points...
Couldn't an F16 jet plane act as the fastest car in the world if it kept the wheels touching the ground for a short moment (at 2000 km/h)?
Anyway, take the board away from the kiters and they will stop immediately. They are SAILING.. That said I agree (with all respect to their fantastic results) that their construction will meet the wall at a certain speed. The windage and drag from the kite itself and especially all the lines will be a limiting factor. A windsurf sail can be a lot more aerodynamically efficient but suffers from the mentioned drawbacks from being close to the water surface with all its disturbance and turbulence.
Anyway, the difference between kites and WS is very small (less than a knot or 2%), and a lot of factors influence when doing speed runs.

Right now the kiters lead ;-)

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Old 7th October 2008, 03:31 PM   #20
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Just wait for a few weeks...



She as just done 52.86 Knots VMAX open sea on saturday.
http://www.hydroptere.com/loader_vid...6%20noeuds.flv


The wind was gusty and light residual swell prevent sailing at the speed spot....

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