Old 28th December 2008, 12:46 AM   #11
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Reality is always a cruel master.

In the lower wind range every knot of wind is super critical.

Experienced Isonic sailors would be looking at 2 boards to cover your wind range.

You will be giving too much away at the bottom and top ends.

If speed was only down to a board then we could all be fast.

If you want to go fast and have fun then follow Floyds advice.
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Old 28th December 2008, 05:27 AM   #12
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In my opinion the iSONIC 122 is a great choice. We are looking for a board which works in 10 to 20 knots and carries a 9,0. Out of my experience the iSonic 122 is very easy to sail. 75 cm is a moderate width. Itīs definitely one of the iSonics, which covers the biggest windrange. Sure, the Futura would be a great alternative, but would suggest the 133.

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Old 28th December 2008, 04:21 PM   #13
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Cool Isonic one board solution ???

Perhaps original poster should give a bit more info about his experience.

Chris is a sponsored sailor and I imagine weighs a good deal less than poster ? (???)
I do know he uses 3 Isonics (I believe 86;101 and 122 ) If he was packing one board on his travels I wonder what he`d take ???

10 to 20 knts doesn`t seem such a big range. In relative terms its massive.(Double windspeed) A specialised board (such as Isonic) will have a very specific range where it works fantastic. Out of that range it would be totally inappropriate. A more generalised design might not compete with Isonic in its ideal spot but would be more appropriate out of "its range".

IMHO the Isonics are not good boards to have solely.
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Old 28th December 2008, 06:23 PM   #14
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Hi guys,

all very interesting comments. Following Floyd's suggestion, here is a bit more of my experience:

- sailing for 16 years
- I have been sailing in lakes and sea (50x50)
- For the last 4 years I used mainly 147 and 162 Starboard formula boards and when the wind picked up I borrowed a small freeride board from a lighter friend (around 100l) which I used with my 7,5 and 6,2 sails. Participated in some local formula competitions but just for fun.
- before that I had a Maui Custom Course Race Board 150l - 70cm wide , a small F2 Ride and a 120l Mistral Explosion (I guess the boards before that don't really matter, but I also sailed the F2 lightning race board and a F2 slalom board from the 90's).
- Sails have been 6,2; 7,5; 9, and 10 (always race or freerace sails like North IQ, Neilpryde V8 and Severne Overdrive)

I do see the point from Floyd about the freeride and freemove boards and would definetely go for something like that if I have the chance to have 2 boards (big slalom or formula + 1 freemove like Mistral Syncro or *board Kombat would be great), but I have my doubts if I go for only 1 board that this is the best choice.

About my expectations:
- 1 board and 2 sails
- get going in winds from 13-20knots (eventually even up to 25knots), but being able to sail back if wind drops to something between 6-12knots.
- want to go fast and be able to get somewhat (no need for formula angles) upwind and downwind (so that I can sail to where the wind is best)
- I have tried some older and bigger freeride boards from Bic, F2 and Mistral (130-150l) but didn't like them. Found those really borring because the boards were so "stable" that you didn't feel any thrill when the wind picked up. I always had the impression the board was kind of "glued" to the water.
I have never tried the new freeride boards, but I guess one can understand why I'm a bit hesitant with the idea of having a freeride board as the only board. I have been reading that those new freeride boards can be really fast (eventually even fast enough for my skills), but what about the feeling? I like lively boards.

Hope this is enough info about my experience and expectations.
All suggestions are welcome - even if it is not a slalom board suggestion Floyd :-)
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Old 28th December 2008, 06:27 PM   #15
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btw, got kind of tired of formula, want something different
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Old 29th December 2008, 01:03 AM   #16
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Hi Floyd,
for 10 to 20 knots I definitely would take the 122. My weight is 84 kg.
The described profile and expectations are clear and my answer is clear, too:
iSONIC 122

This board is fast, exciting and versatile. It gets great lift, can carry bigger sails, but also works with 7,0 m. You can tune it with different finlenghts.

A good option would be the FUTURA 133, which is very fast in 2009.

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Old 29th December 2008, 08:00 PM   #17
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About my expectations:
- 1 board and 2 sails
- get going in winds from 13-20knots (eventually even up to 25knots), but being able to sail back if wind drops to something between 6-12knots.
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I'm 89 kg so lighter, but the above requirement for recreational sailing I achieve with an IS 111 and RSS 7.8m & 6.7m, flat to choppy sea. Quite often I'll go out with the 7.8m in 10-12 knots (my planing threshold) and stay with the 7.8m in up to 20 knts sometime gusting 25. If it's above 18 knts I'l go with the 6.7m. I can't see a problem in slogging in 6-12 knots.
I also have a FU 133 which I bought for my partner to learn on. I haven't had much time on it but it doesn't seem to plane that much earlier than the IS111.
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Old 3rd January 2009, 11:08 PM   #18
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Sorry for being contradictory but there is no such thing as a one board solution.Its a one board (...)
I agree Floyd, but people with 3 boards say that 2 boards is a compromise, people with 4 boards... you get the scoop. So even though I agree with you, it's a mindset it seems.

I think there's is nothing wrong with going for one board that will 'catch' as many pleasurable outings as possible, be it for money reasons, storage, etc.

Mr. Unregistered Guest, have a good time with your purchase. Do stretch your outings on both ends of the wind spectrum.

Have fun on the Iso !
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Old 4th January 2009, 05:12 AM   #19
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WTF ?

Isn't the starting point working out what kind of board characteristics he is looking for?

Does he want a flexible wave board?, or
Does he want a flexible blasting slalom board?

How can the first post recommend an iSonic without knowing what sort of board the guy is looking for?

The answer might be something like the large Fanatic Freewave or iSonic - completely different boards.

You need to know the answer to step one first.
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Old 4th January 2009, 06:50 AM   #20
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I also use iS122 as my all-around blasting board in 10-20 knots (86kg). I think it's the best compromise for what you want. Yes it's volume is smaller than quoted, and yes you'll have problems in 2-3 knots with a 9.0 (you'll sink), other than that you'll be fine.

However, I can see where Floyd is coming from and I respect his opinion. I'm not racing seriously, and still I prefer a full-on slalom board to a freeride (at least in this windrange - 7.5-9m sails). I have mates who hate slalom boards in that same wind range, and prefer something less locked in and more playful. I also believe that I'm faster if I keep the hammer down properly, not some minor gps 1% faster, but real-life tested, obviously faster (not to mention up- and down-wind angles). Oh and let me add that (at least with a 7.5) iSonic122 gybes WAY tighter, faster and more exciting than anyone expected from such a wide, square plank ;-)
Having said all that, I prefer to jump to a Kombat as soon as I have something resembling steady 18-20, but in described wind range I wouldn't trade iS122 for anything. But I digress.

It's really up to every single one of us to decide what type of board we want for a given wind range and water state.

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