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Old 20th February 2007, 04:27 AM   #61
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Default RE: Serenity ...4 knots....Harness?


At 4 knots, did the sailor (you Hugh?) find a harness advantageous for squeezing out a bit more speed from the Serenity?

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Old 20th February 2007, 07:19 PM   #62
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Got my first real try on the Serenity Monday. Sailor - 60kg (132#), sail 7.4, small fin. Winds Force 1 to Force 3. Location - inland lake, SE US. Temp - air 55 F (12 C); water 45 F (7c). I've done a lot of longboard sailing, a little racing, as well as formula and shortboard sailing.

When I arrived the water was glassy, and I almot decided to go home. But a minor gust arrived, and stayed. Starting out, I'd say it was only Force 1. In these winds the board is still pretty quick and moves very nicely upwind. Tacking was not hard. My board speed estimate 3-5 mph.

As the wind picked up to Force 2, the board really came to life and the speed picked up. I'd estimate the board speed to be 5-10 mph. Blew my first jibe, but after that I was completing them (though not with ease.) In these winds she is quite fun and I did need a harness for sure. Since the wind was very fluky, I was hooking and unhooking a lot, and moving around on the board a fair amount.

After a while the wind picked up to Force 3 and she becomes really quick 10 mph+ for sure, and I was in for a wild ride. At this point, I started thinking about how bad I'd feel if I trashed my new board on the first day. But I did hold on, headed back down wind and got into lighter winds. (Where I sail the winds are stronger as you get farther from shore.) Were it not for the cold water, I'd probably have been a lot more aggressive, but I'm taking my time with this.

I don't find the Serenity that hard to turn, particularly tacking, though it works better if you use a good "shortboard" style tack, instead of my usual sloppy longboard tacks. Jibing is harder, but I think once I get used to it, it won't be too hard. Chop doesn't seem to bother her much (kindly provided by a few motor boats, since the wind wasn't strong enough to produce it.)

I sailed her on all points of sail. She wants to sail upwind, but seems to sail quicker on a beam reach. She takes a little coaxing to go on a broad reach, but from a broad reach can be turned onto a run. This is definitely a little trickier, but not that hard (or I'd have gotten pretty wet.)

The small fin probably does make it a lot more turny. I've sailed my old longboard w/o any tail fin using the CB alone, and you can feel some instability. I noticed the same thing when I'd get hit by a gust, though I think with practice, it won't be very noticable. I can only imagine how the big fin will affect speed and performace. I don't think I really needed the big (7.4) sail. A 6.0 would probably have been fine, esp. in the stronger winds.

I didn't use a GPS, but Its pretty easy to get rough idea of your speed. I simply count how many seconds it takes to move one board length. (I usually try to line up with a leaf or something floating on the water.) Owing to its length (4.5m) if she moves one board length in a second, thats 10 mph. Naturally, counting seconds isn't that precise. One board length in 2 seconds is 5 mph (and close to "hull speed"). All in all it was a great day that would have been really lame on any other board!
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Old 21st February 2007, 01:06 PM   #63
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I am a lazy sailor so use the harness whenever possible! Not sure that the harness makes any speed difference at 4 knots; but it does allow me to stay out on the water longer!
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Old 27th February 2007, 02:03 AM   #64
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Got another chance to sail Serenity this weekend. I tried to get my GPS to work, but w/o success. However, I did several timed runs between two points (an island and the shore) known to be .66 miles apart. I generally did the runs in about 4 minutes, or about 10 mph. Wind was probably 6-8 mph, sail was 7.4. I used a 36 cm weed fin, mostly just to see what it would do. I took my H105 out briefly, and it was not even close to planning, so the wind was pretty light. This approach seems pretty conservative to me, since the top speed in a single run was probably higher than the average, and I had to accelarate and/or decelerate when I got to shore.
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Old 1st March 2007, 06:22 AM   #65
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HI Randy,
I sailed the serenity in Sarasota on Sat. Roger is the best kept secret in windsurfing. I don't know what his arrangement is with Sailworks
sails or Starboard but he is the best industry rep around. I really
thank you Roger.
I was fortunate to have the Serenity to myself for about two hours.
I am not an accomplished sailor. I would probably be considered a
good intermediate. I am not an expert.
I never fell on a tack at any time. The board does come around
slowly but not terribly so. On a beam reach the board feels very stable. I did not feel uncomfortable at all. When the wind was on and
off like a switch you do notice the lack of width in adjusting for the gusts more than on a wider board. In a complete lull you are more
unsteady than on a wider board. Still the board was stable enough that I did not fall off. I found little or no evidence that a heavier
sailor would have more trouble. I weigh 230 lbs. Not exactly a light
weight. I, also to my surprise, thought I would miss the foot straps.
Not a problem, the deck pad is very non-slip. The winds were
between 0 and about 12 mph. For the most part I would estimate
the winds at 8 to 10mph. The Sail was a Sailworks 6.6 and the
fin was a 36cm weed fin.
The most difficult sailing is off the wind, a broad reach or
straight down-wind. I did fall off attempting this. I beleive with
practice that I could learn to sail downwind. Uphauling is not
a problem at all. No more difficult than on my Mistral Competition.
It is much faster in light wind than my competition as I came
back to the launch and then immedeately went out on my
competition. I felt like I was standing still. The Serenity was
so much more fun in the light winds that I quit sailing for the
day rather than stay out on the competition. i think the board
is much eaiser to sail than what I had been hearing on the
internet.. Any questions , let me know
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Old 1st March 2007, 07:12 AM   #66
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Hi Don,and all you other sailors interested in the Serenity,
Just to set the record straight, the sail Don was on was the '07 Sailworks Hucker rigged on a 460 Sailworks LightStick mast with an HPL slalom carbon boom.
The fin Don used was a Tangent Dynamics Reaper 46 cm weed fin.
I'm really glad he had a good time on the Serenity, and it was wonderful to finally meet him and get him out on the Serenity.
Thanks for your kind comments,
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Old 1st March 2007, 06:44 PM   #67
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Was the use of the Hucker based on mere convenience, or is there a reason to prefer that type of sail with Serenity?
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Old 2nd March 2007, 06:33 AM   #68
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Hi Randy,
I've sailed the Serenity with up to a 9.0 m2 Severne Gator, but I find that sails larger than 7.5 (a Retro) really didn't give me much more speed or angle, but they were alot harder to balance and uphaul.
Since I find the new '07 6.6 m2 Hucker with 6 battens to have very nearly the same low end power as my 7.5 Retro I chose the 6.6 Hucker for Don's test drive based on the most power in the smallest package.
It was also somewhat for convenience as I had both the '06 7 batten 6.6 m2 Hucker and the '07 6 batten 6.6 m2 Huckers rigged so the demo sailors could see the difference between a 6.6 Hucker rigged on a 460 Sailworks Backbone RDM (the 7 battten late '06 model) and a 6.6 '07 Hucker (6 batten) rigged on a Sailworks 460 Lightstick SDM.
So, getting the most power in the smallest package is a very good thing when sailing the Serenity. Bigger sails don't seem to be needed!
Hope this helps,
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Old 13th March 2007, 12:04 AM   #69
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More impressions.

I've now sailed Serenity in 9 sessions, with sails from 6.0 to 7.4, and with both the big and small fin, as well as a very small weed fin.

First, the biggest concern I had was that she would be too limited to light winds - being too much of a handful in the normal 5-15 mph days that are frequently the type in which I sailed my longboard. But, such days are no problem. While I wouldn't sail Serenity in a solid 15 mph wind, a gust of 15 in a light day is no problem at all, and lots of fun. She does seem to "top out" on speed, though I am learning to move my weight further back to increase speed when planing. Fin and sail size might address this (perhaps making one or both smaller once topped out might actually increase speed.)

Second, the big fin really makes a big difference in lightwind sailing, though if you are maxed out (10 kt or more) the smaller fin might be quicker. Serenity responds a lot to fin changes. Makes me think it might make more sense to change fins than sails if the wind changes. It will be interesting to try other types of fins.

Third, part of the fun of this board is that I feel like I am learning to windsurf all over again. Not that it is that much different at all, but I have to be much more precise in foot movements, sail sterring etc. It makes very nice light wind jibes since it carries speed well, though you can easily upset your trim by bad foot movements. Sailing downwind is not that hard, but it takes some care. It makes sailing a lot more challenging than a conventional longboard. I notice my right hand/left hand issues much more, and realize how "handed" I am. I think Serenity may actually help me improve my shortboard sailing since it needs more precision and balance.

The added length is not really much of an issue on the water -compared to a conventional longboard the length, turning radius, etc is just not a big deal. It weighs a lot less than my old longboard, so its easier to get on top of my car.

I do miss the footstaps some, though it probably would be hard to figure our exactly where they should go. For a long time I could never get into the straps on my old race longboard, and I got pretty good at sailing w/o them. (Brings back memories for sure!)

I don't know how helpful an adjustable centerboard/track would be. In reviewing my old longboard sources, it is normally recommended to maintain a full down CB in winds less than Force 3 along with a forward track anyway. If there is a Serenity II, perhaps a (paritally) retactible daggerboard would be the way to go.
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Old 17th March 2007, 02:08 PM   #70
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Hi everyone,

We've recently added a mini Serenity video clip on the Serenity product page (http://www.star-board.com/viewpage.php?page_id=37). It's a pretty small clip and we didn't always have the best lighting conditions but I think it's pretty good at showing how nicely the Serenity glides and picks up speed in very lightwinds.

In the video the wind didn't exceed 5 or 6 knots yet we had lots of fun gliding along and racing each other. Hope you'll check it out.


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