Question: Which ISonic fit better, IS 101 or IS 111 - Page 2

Ken · 16th October 2009, 09:11 PM

Walter,

I am not trying to change your mind, but LK's comments make some sense.

Also, at your weight, and since "uphauling isn't your thing", it will not be easy for you to uphaul either 111. There will be water over much of the deck, plus very slight movements of the feet will sink either the nose or tail when pulling the sail out of the water. Also, the iS 111 dosn't slog well (below 5 knots). It wants to head up and it takes focus to keep it on a beam reach.

The above comments relate to fresh water and not sea water. If you are in the ocean, then things will be slightly better than I describe.

All this means is that you have to work on your light wind skills.

Screamer · 19th October 2009, 11:17 PM

111 way too close to iS122 (as all the others have said) and it would be a mistake imho.
Forget about uphauling/slogging/wind shadows, there is no med-to-high wind board that will give you comfortable uphauling when it drops to nothing. Pick your sailing days more carefully (when it's really steady) and come back before the wind dies completely. Too many people (including myself several years ago) want a board that will have excellent control in 25 knots, yet bring them home in 3 knots.

iS101 will slog you fine for that 400m in force 3 (hard to predict in knots exactly) as long as you move. Don't buy a board for it's slogging/uphauling "performance".

Edit: I wanted to add that I have a 95 kg buddy who use iS94 in strong but gusty winds, wind shadows etc. No problem once you get used to your new toy.

walter 1212 · 21st October 2009, 11:39 AM

The reasons why I want to exchange the F111 for a Isonic: More speed, better upwind characteristics, perhaps more control. Last weekend I had the chance to test an Isonic 111 combined with a Severne Gator 6,0. My findings are: Isonic 111 fells bigger than Futura 111 and couldn´t be controlled like the Futura 111 -Gator (6,0) combination. That´s why I forget to buy an ISonic 111.
I aks you if the combination ISonic 101 with Gator 6,0 is better. Or in other words: The ISonic works only well in combination with Code Red. I intend to combine the ISonic both with the Code Red 7,0 (estimate 70%) and with the Gator 6,0 (estimate 30%).

I ask you to give me advises.

Walter

Screamer · 21st October 2009, 12:29 PM

iS101 with a Gator 6.0 is somewhat better combo than iS111 with the same sail, that's for sure. For occasional use it's ok, but it's not the ideal combo, iSonics work much better with cambered sails.

walter 1212 · 22nd October 2009, 01:57 AM

How does the Futura 111 work with the Code red 7,0. Any ideas? I want to know, which combination (F 111 or IS 101) will be better for me, if I also use Gator 6,0 in 30 % of the cases.

Walter

davide · 22nd October 2009, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walter 1212

How does the Futura 111 work with the Code red 7,0. Any ideas? I want to know, which combination (F 111 or IS 101) will be better for me, if I also use Gator 6,0 in 30 % of the cases.

Walter

Hi Walter, you might be wasting your money going from a Futura 111 to either Is-111 or 101 in search of more performance. Unless you sail very powered up you might not see any measurable gain. If I were you I would keep the Futura 111, buy a better fin (if you are still using the stock this might give you better performance), and maybe invest in a smaller board that would work better with the 6.0 (a Futura 93 or Isonic 94). If you insist on selling the Futura 111, the Is-101 would be better for 6.0-7.0.

Chris Pressler · 22nd October 2009, 03:38 PM

Many good aspects in this discussion. Would say that a 7,0 Racesail works excellent on the iSONIC 122. So you have to look for a board, which fits great for the Gator 6,0, which is a super versatile sail. I used it on a FLARE, KODE, EVO, iSONIC and FUTURA. Would suggest to go for a smaller Futura in 101, which is a super fast board, jibes easy and makes excellent upwind.

Wish you make the best decision,
Chris

walter 1212 · 22nd October 2009, 09:45 PM

Hello Chris!

Which combination (IS 111 or F 111, combines with Code Red 7,0 and Gator 6,0) would you suggest for conditions like Lago di Garda (Vento, near Navene), where the wind isn´t the same all over the lake. My weight 94 kg. Usually I need reserve volumn to come back to the beach. How feels the F111 with Code Red 7,0? How the IS 6,0 with IS 111.

Many Thanks

Walter

16th October 2009, 09:11 PM	#11
Ken Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas USA Posts: 799	Walter, I am not trying to change your mind, but LK's comments make some sense. Also, at your weight, and since "uphauling isn't your thing", it will not be easy for you to uphaul either 111. There will be water over much of the deck, plus very slight movements of the feet will sink either the nose or tail when pulling the sail out of the water. Also, the iS 111 dosn't slog well (below 5 knots). It wants to head up and it takes focus to keep it on a beam reach. The above comments relate to fresh water and not sea water. If you are in the ocean, then things will be slightly better than I describe. All this means is that you have to work on your light wind skills. __________________ Toys: Formula 160; iSonic 111; HiFly Move 105; Tiga 263; '85 Mistral Superlight. Maui Sails TR 11.0; 9.2; 8.4; 7.6; 6.6; Maui Sails Switch 6.0; 5.2; Maui Sails Global 4.5; 4.0.

19th October 2009, 11:17 PM	#12
Screamer Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 433	111 way too close to iS122 (as all the others have said) and it would be a mistake imho. Forget about uphauling/slogging/wind shadows, there is no med-to-high wind board that will give you comfortable uphauling when it drops to nothing. Pick your sailing days more carefully (when it's really steady) and come back before the wind dies completely. Too many people (including myself several years ago) want a board that will have excellent control in 25 knots, yet bring them home in 3 knots. iS101 will slog you fine for that 400m in force 3 (hard to predict in knots exactly) as long as you move. Don't buy a board for it's slogging/uphauling "performance". Edit: I wanted to add that I have a 95 kg buddy who use iS94 in strong but gusty winds, wind shadows etc. No problem once you get used to your new toy. Last edited by Screamer; 19th October 2009 at 11:25 PM.

22nd October 2009, 03:38 PM	#17
Chris Pressler Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: AUSTRIA, Lake Neusiedler Posts: 297	Many good aspects in this discussion. Would say that a 7,0 Racesail works excellent on the iSONIC 122. So you have to look for a board, which fits great for the Gator 6,0, which is a super versatile sail. I used it on a FLARE, KODE, EVO, iSONIC and FUTURA. Would suggest to go for a smaller Futura in 101, which is a super fast board, jibes easy and makes excellent upwind. Wish you make the best decision, Chris __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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21st October 2009, 11:39 AM	#13
walter 1212 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 24	The reasons why I want to exchange the F111 for a Isonic: More speed, better upwind characteristics, perhaps more control. Last weekend I had the chance to test an Isonic 111 combined with a Severne Gator 6,0. My findings are: Isonic 111 fells bigger than Futura 111 and couldn´t be controlled like the Futura 111 -Gator (6,0) combination. That´s why I forget to buy an ISonic 111. I aks you if the combination ISonic 101 with Gator 6,0 is better. Or in other words: The ISonic works only well in combination with Code Red. I intend to combine the ISonic both with the Code Red 7,0 (estimate 70%) and with the Gator 6,0 (estimate 30%). I ask you to give me advises. Walter

21st October 2009, 12:29 PM	#14
Screamer Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 433	iS101 with a Gator 6.0 is somewhat better combo than iS111 with the same sail, that's for sure. For occasional use it's ok, but it's not the ideal combo, iSonics work much better with cambered sails.

22nd October 2009, 01:57 AM	#15
walter 1212 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 24	How does the Futura 111 work with the Code red 7,0. Any ideas? I want to know, which combination (F 111 or IS 101) will be better for me, if I also use Gator 6,0 in 30 % of the cases. Walter

22nd October 2009, 09:45 PM	#18
walter 1212 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 24	Hello Chris! Which combination (IS 111 or F 111, combines with Code Red 7,0 and Gator 6,0) would you suggest for conditions like Lago di Garda (Vento, near Navene), where the wind isn´t the same all over the lake. My weight 94 kg. Usually I need reserve volumn to come back to the beach. How feels the F111 with Code Red 7,0? How the IS 6,0 with IS 111. Many Thanks Walter