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Old 3rd November 2009, 05:05 PM   #11
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and if U schlogg , what's worse ?
133 liter slalom racer or Formula board ?
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Old 7th November 2009, 10:05 AM   #12
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I use F162 and F161 with max 11,7 compared to my iS144 with 9,8 I need 2-3knots more to start planing with SL. (184cm/90kg)
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Old 7th November 2009, 07:20 PM   #13
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pfaffi:

U bring many points up for discussion

if there only a 2-3 knot diff between 9.8 on iS and 11.7 on F161/F162 then it seems to me the difference is due to the sail AND not the board

what would the difference be if on the same day U used the 9.8 on the iS and then the same sail on the F161/F162 ??

here i am trying to streamline a quiver with the most TOW/time on water possible and you just have it all AND on top of it all, you have an F161 AND an F162 ^&*(&*(

i thought getting a Formula would be a simple call and yet people speak about the importance of getting the correct Formula AND they range from 147 liters (marked as 137 !!) up to 170 liters... and U have two that have a difference of 1 liter

now i am more confused than ever AND not more convinced that a Formula is the way to go :-(

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Old 9th November 2009, 01:17 AM   #14
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Hi Joe!
In low winds 2-3knts are a big difference! My Formula/1,7 combo in sweet water starts planing with extensive pumping and my weight app. in 8knts. My iS144/9,8 app. in 10-11 knts and SL is slower and has no upwind ability than F in this conditions. If I use same sail on both (9,8) also F will win the planing/up/downwind because of bigger fin, wider tail and more volume in tail and by this much better pumping ability. We have tested this very often with always same results.
Why 161 and 162?: 161 was excellent so never sell it and 162 has better low wind characteristics. I think new HWR will be a hybrid of both (hope so)! For freeriding all F starting from 159 are ok. If you go for competition there are little differences, so its never the volume difference! If you have less weight and use smaller Formula sails start with F159 and it ends linear with max 12sqm and heavy weight sailors on the 162.
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Old 17th November 2009, 04:21 AM   #15
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since people keep sayin go for the bigger board in formula for heavyweights
how come SB does not go for the 168-170 liter bracket again ?

JP seems to be goin there : http://www.raceyou.ru/thread2045.html#post20847
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Old 19th November 2009, 02:12 AM   #16
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Hi Joe,

I agree with pfaffi.
I'm 187m / 87 kg
I use a 9.5 m2 on a F161.
It needs extensive pumping at 8 knots to get it planing. BUT once planing, it stays planing.
I also tried a 11.8m2 on a F161. It allows faster & easier planing. Even from 6 knots. But this is really the bare minimum for me. At 6 knots also pumping is required to get going. Below 6 knots there is nothing that gets me going, I'm afraid. This is the point where windsurfing stops

I tried once my 9.5 m2 on a 145L board (no SB). It works starting from 11 knots, BUT far more difficult to point. While in 10-11 knots with a F161/9.5m2 I can really choose any course I want. Upwind/downwind it doesn't matter. No pumping required. The combination becomes a cruiser with which I could easily sail around an island, if you know what I mean.

I know that the 70 cm fin of my F161 helps a lot during pumping to establish the necessary lift to get it planing.

My F161 has easily doubled my windsurfing hours in summer time, when we don't always get the best wind conditions. Speed is of no importance for me in 6-12 knots. Planing is all that matters. No better equipment than a F161 for this !
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Old 19th November 2009, 04:38 PM   #17
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Hi Pfaffi,

We develop alot prototyp for this 2 new boards and we start with 160, 161 and 162 at the end the best boards was from the 161 and 160. So HWR and LWR born and can tell you they are better than the 162 and the prototype comming from.

Have great fun on the new boards.

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Old 19th November 2009, 04:41 PM   #18
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Hi Belskorpio,

"This is the point where windsurfing stops " : Not really just planing conditon. You still have boards who is working great under this limit, all the Race-Board and the most quicker and fun one is the Serenity

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Old 20th November 2009, 01:36 AM   #19
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Hi Remi,

Yes, I would like to try the Serenity once. Just need to find a place close to me where I could rent it.

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Old 20th November 2009, 10:01 PM   #20
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Hi Remi!
I have ordered both, the HWR & LWR. Hope will get the boards Feb.10!
I was working long time to get the best trim on my 162 and specially the right fin. Will be interesting what fins will work on the LWR. I expect on HWR same fin as 161 and 162? Jesper wrote that he was using a Kashy in Japan. Which one? Cutted ??cm
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