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Old 20th March 2010, 12:00 AM   #11
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Thanks Remi.
Great pics.. The 320 doesn't look like a longboard at all. More like a short nosed raceboard (which it basically is).
Looks like a great jiber too.

320 or 380??? Life's complicated ;-)

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Old 20th March 2010, 12:05 AM   #12
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I have three boards in the 10 to 7.0sail range: Equipe 372 cm, formula 159 and iSonic 122. It looks like the 320 could cover this whole range alone...
Will the 320 be speedy with a 7.0 slalom sail. What's the maximum wind range for this board.
The 122 has almost endless top range in heavy conditions. Where will the 320/122 overlap be.

I don't compete..
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Old 20th March 2010, 03:30 AM   #13
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They look like different boards. Are they prototypes? The first 2 pics seem to show a patchy paint job and the board looks like it has sharper rails. The second 2 with the more even, [ nicer ] paint job seems to show more rounded rails.

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Old 20th March 2010, 04:16 AM   #14
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Superb. Both boards are impressive, but I'm definitly in love with the hybrid. I can't wait to receive my new 320 !

Note : I tried yesterday to find your Facebook by typing "Rémi Villa" or "Remi Villa", but without success, is there another way to find it ?
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Old 20th March 2010, 04:37 AM   #15
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for Per : I have Phantom 320 and Futura 122, I don't think they really overlap.

122 is better if wind is sufficiently strong, sufficiently stable, and for the reaching

320 is better if wind is either not strong or not stable enough, or if you wish to do something else than reaching

both boards are great and complementary (if only the 320 could have the beautiful wooden deck of my Futura ... :-)

7.0 slalom sail may feel a bit small, I tried my 320 with a 6.9 North Duke, at first sight it "felt small", perfectly usable however. In June I will go round the island of Porquerolles with my 320, I willl probably take the 6.9 to have a wider wind range, for security.

For wind range, so far I sailed with it in circa 25 knots, and it remains very pleasant, whereas I guess a traditional raceboard would begin to "feel big". Interesting sensations come notably from the fact that it is more technical than a short board, it is a widely different technique which brings some change, and also jibes are surprisingly cool

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Old 20th March 2010, 09:57 AM   #16
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I agree with ZedZedD.

For rod-r,

The first two photos are of the phantom 380 which does have different colouring, lighter carbon construction and sharper rails. the second two photos are the phoantom 320, tough skin construction and more rounded rails.

Most longboards have got the sharper rails for upwind performance in light winds. I was worried that the 320 wouldn't go well upwind when I received mine and noticed the round rails. I was pleasently surprised how well it did go upwind. I assume the round rails make it a bit more responsive and easy to gybe.
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Old 21st March 2010, 10:49 PM   #17
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Today I had a blast on my Equipe with a 7.0 in 20 - 25 knots. On flat water it was a great blast. On the choppy part it could be speede but also very uncontrolled at times. Just a lot of board out there in the front. On all points my iSonic 122 would be faster when the wind was stable.

The great advantage with the dagger is, that I could go to where the stable wind was (there was huge patches of ice, so I had to navigate quite a lot), as a longboard points in all directions easily.

If the Phantom 320 would be better I don't know, but I think I would prefare the 380 to get everything from the light days. In 18 knots my iSonic will fly anyway.

I could probably do without my formula, and still have a lot of fun.

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Old 22nd March 2010, 05:54 AM   #18
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lol, that's it, The missing concept, an Ice Breaking Board (yeah !) :-)
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Old 22nd March 2010, 06:56 AM   #19
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Per
I dont think you can notice the difference between the 320 and the 380 unless you are racing an other board. They will both do what you want.

The 320 is much less expensive and it doesn't have as much of "lot of board in front " feel that you were complaining about.
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Old 22nd March 2010, 03:39 PM   #20
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Hi ZedZdeD,

Of course because my name is Rémi Vila

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