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Old 26th January 2010, 07:45 AM   #1
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hello:

presently i use a 160 liter 79 cm board {non-SB} for now
am looking at SB formula for TOW - not new to save $$$
and hopefully sell the other-brand 160 due to overlap

logically next board down would be a 130
however, 130s all seem to handle same sail ranges as my current 160

does this mean the next board down would be less than 125 ?
this means high wind and highly skilled heavy-weight, non ?

saw AA's, Remi's and PWA choice of 130,111 and 86 - that's for the pro's :-(

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nb current sails 2008 10.0 race, 2006 8.5 no-cam and 7.0 older cammed
i do not count my training 4.0 sail and duct-taped 6.x'es :-)

added:yeah i fogot to mention - i am 100 kilos/220 pounds and PG confirms around 110 liters

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Old 26th January 2010, 02:52 PM   #2
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It depends on what you mean by heavyweight (90 kg, 100, or a lot more than 100 kg?), and how much float you require from your board (i.e. how easy it should be to pull the rig as opposed to waterstart).

What are you going to do with your 8.5? Are you going to use it as a highwind sail on your Formula, or should it match the next smaller board?

I think that for a 100 kg windsurfer a sensible step down from a Formula with a 10 m2 sail would be a 7 m2 sail on a 115 liter board (105 liters if more skilled). That kind of board would float you well immediately when you are moving a little, but it would of course sink when pulling the rig and standing still.
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Old 26th January 2010, 03:58 PM   #3
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the reason i am surprised is:

one learns on a floater like my current 160
starts refining like going to formula or floaty 130
both can use the 8.5

now comes the interesting part - the next step down is around 110 liters
this is definitely a sinker and would require decent water-start skills, non ?
this is not impossible, but here summers are short
after 2 years on the 160 and only one with the 8.5, my water-starts still need work

my guess: nail the waterstarts n footstraps and count the days where a 110 with a 7.0 would work
imagine next sail down could be a 6.0 and then 5.0
staying in the area , i would say those days would be less than 10 per year
worth the investment ??? then again - there should be used boards in that range
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Old 26th January 2010, 04:50 PM   #4
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I would not recommend a 110 liter board and a max 7 m2 sail for a 100 kg guy as the biggest equipment unless he lives in a very windy area (like San Fransisco bay), or is willing to travel a lot to get sailing.

But it is a great size for a highwind board for a heavyweight, and can comfortably take sails down to 5.3 (that is quite a lot of wind for a heavyweight).

If you are going to get a lot of TOW on your larger board I would recommed either a Formula with a 11 m2 sail (at your weight the 10 m2 formula sail is for "high winds", and will not plane particularly early), or then a 140 liter, 75-80 cm wide, early planing freeride board (e.g. Futura 141).

A 130 liter freeride board, even with a 8.5 sail, will be on the small side for you, unless it is very wide like a race slalom board. And it will of course not carry the 10 m sail at all.
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Old 27th January 2010, 06:20 AM   #5
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PG:

the 10.0 is meant to be the spring-board test
i will try it on my current 160/79 FW board
after that will make decision to go up to Formula or down to 130 and probably sell the 160

the iSonic 130 can handle a 10.0 and heavyweights

if i go Formula, the 10.0 will be the starter sail and a 12.x the light wind monster $$

either way, once comfortable with footstraps, jibes n waterstarts,
the high-wind board would need ta be a 110-117 liter board - based on your discussion and would hopefully handle 7.0 down to 5.0 (probably never get down there) - am guessing Futura 111

hope this makes sense and not too many $$$

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Old 24th May 2010, 03:29 PM   #6
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to continue my indecision ...

the 10.0 works fine on my current 160 - so, forget Formula
water levels are WAY too low for 70 cm fin - so, forget Formula
one bay we frequent is too small - so, forget Formula

160 current board for 10.0, 8.5 and 7.0

next down 115 to 125 to handle 5.0, 6.0 & 7.0 and mild chop

prefer floaty - to be able to uphaul @ 90 to 95 kilos {am losing weight}
what about a Carve 121 ?? :-)
{not this year - need to save my cents}
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Old 24th May 2010, 09:55 PM   #7
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The combination of 90 kg and a C121 will work very nicely. And it was (as per 2005), as I recall, just some 67 cm wide which means that it can candle at least a 6.0 very nicely. The same should be true for the reintroduced 2010 model of C121.

Get a used board in the 120 liter range, like the C121. You will be able to uphaul it, with some concentration (not as easy as with 160/79), and you will have loads of fun with the 7.0 and smaller.
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