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Old 7th June 2008, 09:18 AM   #1
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Default 162 and R20 smelling bubbles ?

based on recent 2 formula races in Portugal and Sopot, starboard formula board 162 seems to be at tail-end of glory.
read that those guys used R20 for barbeque fire..


162 is much slower than 161, vapor or F2 ?

how about R20 ?
everyone is not using it, all on kashy, C3, VMG or some unknown designs.
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Old 18th June 2008, 01:47 AM   #2
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Hi Polis!
The F162 is trim sensible. The fins working with F161 are definitely not working with F162. It took us longer time than F161 to make the F162 competitable. However you will see who finds the "good" fin will be faster than F161. There are more choices than D... on the market.
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Old 19th June 2008, 10:31 AM   #3
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I am tired of these vague answers.
If there is a fin that works and makes the 162 competitive with the Gaastra Vapor, TELL US WHICH IS THAT FIN please.
I sailed the Vapor and it was much faster than the 162 IMHO with several different good fins .
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Old 19th June 2008, 12:47 PM   #4
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It's getting rather doll to read these non-sense posts, rumors rumors rumors and rumors only.

Maybe one day some will understand that TOW is key, cause whether you are on the latest Deb, Kashy, Hurricane, Select, Gasoil, ex C3 or else and same with the boards... You still loose heaps more time tacking and jybing while others on their 4-5 yo fin and couple of years old boards have passed the finishing line. And what about start, getting confortable with your kit instead of changing every 6 months etc...

And one fin that works for Bob won't necessaraly work for Jack... use the one fin that you know.

Happy sailing, less finger training on the keyboard!!
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Old 19th June 2008, 01:26 PM   #5
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It's getting rather doll to read these non-sense posts, rumors rumors rumors and rumors only.

Maybe one day some will understand that TOW is key, cause whether you are on the latest Deb, Kashy, Hurricane, Select, Gasoil, ex C3 or else and same with the boards... You still loose heaps more time tacking and jybing while others on their 4-5 yo fin and couple of years old boards have passed the finishing line. And what about start, getting confortable with your kit instead of changing every 6 months etc...

And one fin that works for Bob won't necessaraly work for Jack... use the one fin that you know.

Happy sailing, less finger training on the keyboard!!

blablablabla, "more TOW, more TOW"....
I don't have that TOW. What should Ido? How can I compete with guy who bought Kashy and allways finishes the 1st instead of 4th before Kashy?
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Old 19th June 2008, 03:02 PM   #6
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A couple of things:

-lower your expectations if you don't have that TOW, guys at the top are fast and will only be faster as they also probably are much better t getting the new kit tuned in
-start here, http://www.carbonsugar.com/, Sean has nailed some really good points before getting the credit card out!!
-the new generaion of fins require a different style of sailing that probably most sailor won't be able to pick up straightaway hence the rubbish rumors about this fin doesn't work etc...
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Old 19th June 2008, 03:19 PM   #7
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blablablabla, "more TOW, more TOW"....
I don't have that TOW. What should Ido? How can I compete with guy who bought Kashy and allways finishes the 1st instead of 4th before Kashy?

You have just answered your question.... BUY A KASHY !!!!
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Old 19th June 2008, 08:40 PM   #8
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You have all of my sympathy.
TOW is important, but not all. Of course TOW will tune a sailor into higher performances, but it's quite stupid feeling to use TOW just to sort out materials, expecially if the right informations are already available somewhere. Asking on the Starboard forum which fins do work well on the new board seems to me the best straightforward way to go to save precious TOW for other purposes, such as refining sailing skills.
Pity I'm not a formula sailor and I don't have those informations. I am in contact with a formula sailor friend who bought a 162 and has the same problem with fins.
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Old 19th June 2008, 09:51 PM   #9
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A smell of the past...
Tow & the right Fin and all is fine...

http://www.formulawindsurfing.org/story.php?id=91

Curiously, the discussion which start's on the forum of a well-known brand in the beginning of 2005, is no longer available
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Old 20th June 2008, 01:23 AM   #10
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yep,I'm geo's friend who has bought his 162 with huge expectations (as many of us) but it seems to me that I've coming back at 2006 when sailed an Exo warp formula! Same identical feeling. I mean,in the end of last season my level was more than accettable (considering my TOW and my skills).I was easily in the top ranking of the crew which I sail with but now it seems I've fallen down and down and down like when sailed the Exo warp farmula.Please note that in 2006 Starboard has made the 160 (probably the best fw of the brand and one of the best overall).
So what? My TOW is almost identical to the last season one and I've got also 2 brand new '08 fw sails!
Ok probably I've not all that "finesse" to easy understand what the board loves to sail fast and comfortable but I've choosen Starboard for its well known easyness and relative problem-free feeling.I guess that this year I've wrong and just when,according with rules, the board would have last 2 years.... I'm going to ne not so lucky!!
Why now the top team guys don't put here their tricks to make us improve our performance with the board?
A very good example comes from Fanatic website.If you look at Falcon's section there are lot of different advices for different sailors with different sail and fin brands.That's why the Falcons are very fin sensitive.
Someone told right.In 2005 Fanatic has big troubles for having wronged its Fw shape and they have stopped to re-build some for their incapacity to quick react at all the questions the sailor's made.
Please Starboard,make youself a favor,help us seriously and quick....
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