Old 9th June 2010, 04:27 PM   #1
eugenio
New Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 10
Default new sail f133

Hello Roger,
I come to ask for advice after two years!

-Now I have 2 boards:
FF157 2003 (84 cm width, 58 cm fin)
and a (new!!)
F133 2009 (77 cm width, 48 cm fin)
-My sail quiver:
9.5 freerace 3 cam; 7.5 freeride 2 cam, 6.3 and 5.4 no cam.
-I am 82kg 182 cm intermediate level but only basic jibe.
-Spots:
inland lake with gusty wind and holes from 9-14 to 13-21 kn.
sea with constant wind, good in the morning with 9.5 but normally a little weak for 7.5, with hard chop - little wawes, flat only in the morning.

I have a bit of gap from 9.5 and 7.5
I would give my new board the right sail.
I would simplify my quiver.

-first solution: 9.5 8.0 6.3 5.4, changing the old 7.5
-second solution: 9.5 8.6 7.5 6.3 5.4 ... more complicated.

The new 8-8.6: freerace 3 cam or very simple freeride no cam for learning jibe?
I am looking for gunsails cannonball 3 cam or rapid freeerace no cam or future freeride no cam.
I need your advice!
Tank you
Eugenio
eugenio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2010, 09:27 PM   #2
Ken
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Dallas, Texas USA
Posts: 799
Default

eugenio,

Not Roger, but here are a few thoughts. Roger will be better at addressing the sail brands, but for sizes, your "second solution" seems perfect to me.

You have a bit of overlap between your 157 and 133 since your 7.5, 8.6 and 9.5 could be used on both boards.

The problem I see in your "first solution" is the gap between the 6.3 and the 8.0, as well as the gap between the 8.0 and 9.5. Both large jumps in size. This plan offers one less sail, but I think you will be happier with the second solution.

You can see my boards and sails below, plus I weigh 78kg. I find the spread in sizes just right between my 6.0, 6.6, 7.6, 8.4 and 9.2.

As you build your sail and board quivers, money is usually an issue for all of us and may be the driving factor in your decisions. I am guessing that before long, you will also be considering a smaller board in the 110 liter range (a floater for you that can be uphauled with some practice). This is what you will need when your skills improve and you have a 15-20+ knot wind.

Good luck.
__________________
Toys:
Formula 160; iSonic 111; HiFly Move 105; Tiga 263; '85 Mistral Superlight.
Maui Sails TR 11.0; 9.2; 8.4; 7.6; 6.6; Maui Sails Switch 6.0; 5.2; Maui Sails Global 4.5; 4.0.
Ken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2010, 08:34 PM   #3
eugenio
New Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 10
Default

Ken,
tank you for your answer. Very interesting!
I am a little confused because i have reading and listening different opinions.
For example in this site: http://www.point-7.com/?page_id=562?&lang=en
point-seven recommends the sail spacing of the first solution.
eugenio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2010, 09:09 PM   #4
Ken
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Dallas, Texas USA
Posts: 799
Default

eugenio,

I looked at the site you mentioned and the differences between their recommendation and mine has more to do with your level of commitment in equipment and money than what would be best for you on the water.

As a novice / intermediate improves their skills, and if they are committed to the sport, he/she will continually add sails, masts, booms, boards, fins, etc. to cover a wider range of conditions.

After 26 years of windsurfing, and because of where I sail, I have a lot of equipment to cover every wind and water possibility. I have raced for all of those 26 years and wanted to have the perfect sized sail for every possible condition. I also have friends that sail with me that have much less experience and only have two boards and 3 or 4 sails. At their level of development, 3 or 4 sails is just fine. In 5-10 years, they may have 6-8 sails.

My recommendation for the "second solution" assumes that you are committed to windsurfing and either have or are willing to buy the necessary equipment (sails, masts, booms).

The negative side of having a lot of sails is trying to decide which one to use. If you only have a few sail options that cover a broad range of wind, it's easy to pick the best one, although it may not be perfect for the conditions.
__________________
Toys:
Formula 160; iSonic 111; HiFly Move 105; Tiga 263; '85 Mistral Superlight.
Maui Sails TR 11.0; 9.2; 8.4; 7.6; 6.6; Maui Sails Switch 6.0; 5.2; Maui Sails Global 4.5; 4.0.
Ken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2010, 09:47 PM   #5
Roger
Dream Team - School Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,092
Default

Hi Eugenio,
Ken has given you some really good feedback here.
I'm not familiar with Gun sails, so I cannot give you much guidance on which of the Gun sails will suit you the best.
At your level, I would think that the simpler no cam Rapid might be the better choice, but free ride sails tend to be pretty flat and may not have real good low wind power.
If the Rapid is indeed a "free race no cam" (similar to the Sailworks Retro) then it will have excellent low wind power and a wide range of use.
As far as your first solution vs your 2nd solution, that's going to depend alot on how much of your sailing is in the 12-16 knot range.
Your 9.5 m2 will be for max early planing in < 12 knots.
At 12 knots you have to make a choice on 8.5 or 8.0 m2. I like the 8.5 solution a little
better as this gives you more power in this wind range, which can be the difference between planing all the time or not planing much at all.
Sure you can re rig your 9.5m2 and you might have too much power in the gusts, so 8.5
seems a very good choice.
But dropping from 8.0 to 6.3 leaves you with a really big hole in the area where when your skills are fully developed you are going to want to be nicely powered as much of the time as possible.
I think the 2nd option (9.5/8.6/7.5/6.3/5.4) is probably going to give you the most quality time on the water.
I also agree with Ken that you will soon want a smaller board for anything above 14 knots.
Hope this helps,
Roger
Roger is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11th June 2010, 02:30 PM   #6
eugenio
New Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 10
Default

Hi Ken and Roger.
Ok, i go for this 8.6: http://www.gunsails.de/en/pro.php?p=3584
May be good?
Eugenio

Last edited by eugenio; 11th June 2010 at 05:33 PM.
eugenio is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th June 2010, 08:26 PM   #7
Roger
Dream Team - School Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,092
Default

Hi Eugenio,
The 8.6 m2 Rapid looks very good!
Roger
Roger is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11th June 2010, 09:11 PM   #8
eugenio
New Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 10
Default

Roger,
tank you!
eugenio is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
f133, sail size

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
F 133 2008 vs. F133 2010 Duracell Ask Our Team 0 13th May 2010 04:52 PM
volume/knots/sail ... or width/knots/sail iago Free Forum 5 10th May 2009 01:36 PM
F133 as second board eugenio Windsurfing School 4 21st July 2008 04:13 PM
Looking for a 5.5-6.0 Freestyle sail that gets planning me like in 6.5 to 7.0 sail Unregistered Free Forum 11 10th June 2008 12:06 PM


All times are GMT +7. The time now is 12:56 PM.