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Old 9th February 2008, 01:54 PM   #11
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It sure sounds like if you would be craving the exitement of the Formula, or of a large slalom board. With that in mind it is 95% sure that you always will be disappointed in any board that features a centerboard.

The centerboard seems to add some 2 kg in weight, and of course it causes drag. Every CB equipped board is a compromise, and it sounds as if you would not be willing to go that route.

I would guess that the Race 320 and the KONA (315 with the steptail in the air) will feel and taste similarly. Decent glide in light wind, but a heavy feeling in planing conditions (but may objectively still be as fast as any freeride out there). I understand that it is this heavy feeling that you dislike.

With regards to the Rio I do think we are seeing some marketing bullshit. It is positive that starboard has lengthened the board from a barge to something that is closing in on 3 meters. This of course does produce more of a gliding feeling, but I cannot imagine it would get the same glide as a 320-350 board. And while planing it is exiting in the same way as the KONA or the Phantom 301. You need to remember that Starboard has used the same kind of "a revolutionary high performance board" with almost every baord that has just lasted a year in the lineup. That is how marketing unfortunately works...

If the Formula is too physical then get one of the 85 cm wide slaloms. I think that will be a good fit.
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Old 9th February 2008, 02:23 PM   #12
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Hi and thankís for all good advises

James, maybe it was the rules from (ISAF) from hybrid class , I read? Iím not going for a great raceboard , just thougt that it could be nice to fit in some class if possible with a new board.

Now I have a lot of superlative of KONA (as usual) and Phantom Race 380.

Is there anybody out there who have some experience from the new RIO 2008
and Phantom Race 320, please let me take part of it.

- Erland
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Old 9th February 2008, 02:47 PM   #13
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I didn't see your post my last before one. But I see that you have many points. I even think the CB add maybe up to 5 kg and the statement of RIO S have increased from 12,3 to 14,1 kg. Differens betwen prototype and production ?

Maybe your right I should go for a slalom board, haven't tried any, but I will before I bye any new board thatever model.

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Old 9th February 2008, 05:13 PM   #14
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PG, I can't understand why you say "every board with a centreboard is a compromise" - or rather I can't see why a board with a centreboard is any more of a compromise than a board without one.

Sure, a centreboard adds weight; but so does adding width to a Formula board, or adding any length to a hypothetical board just 1 metre long. The centreboard basically allows you to vary the fin area, depth and angle whenever you want. It's like having a fin bigger than a FW fin, that's there when you want it and goes away when you don't want it.

Sure, it adds drag on a planing reach but it's faster in non planing or marginal planing conditions upwind and on a close reach.
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Old 9th February 2008, 06:08 PM   #15
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It is maybe true that you want excitement of light wind planing (which would steer you to Formula), but the thread title contains word "gusty". The most difficult thing is to evaluate how much lulls do you have on most of your sailing days, ie how steady the wind is? If you already sail an older Formula and it doesn't give you enough planing time, chances are that the newer one won't give you enough either. Sure it will lower your planing threshold a bit, but to truly maximize it you'll probably need a bigger rig ($$$$).

I've sailed a Formula for 2-3 seasons and then gave it up. Yes I've bought myself a lot of light wind fun, but there were many days when even Formula wasn't enough. Pumping >50% of the time to get/keep planing, shlogging in 3 knots for 5km, is not fun. Neither is being overpowered, which happens pretty soon in a given wind range. I believe on many spots the only answer is longer (as in 350cm) board with a dagger. I'm not saying it's your spot, but you have to estimate correctly.

Fair winds

edit: When you look at this "I have some transport distance to get to clear wind and I think need a board with CB for that reason.....
But first priority are planing mode....."
Unfortunately, it's not possible to be completely happy in both situations (at least not on the same board). Of course, moderately happy is fine ;-)

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