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Old 12th May 2008, 07:48 AM   #11
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Stephane- That sounds logical, although I think the Futura 122 would be better as the medium board. When it's really windy you can use your naish 8'11" as a true sinker.

Let us know how it goes when you get back on the water!
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Old 12th May 2008, 02:25 PM   #12
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Stéphane

I say go for F111, you've already had smaller Naish as your main board before.
It's hard to organize a "perfect" quiver all at once, from scratch. It comes with experience, but all that said, your plan sounds good.
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Old 13th May 2008, 01:11 AM   #13
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NO!!!!
don't buy a freerace sail.
You're better off getting a used formula rig off a racer. Your weight is fairly extreme and you NEED all the rig stiffness you can get. My heaviest weight I've sailed at was 260lbs and it makes a huge difference even vs. 240lbs.
What's frustrating is actually getting on a plane. When you're this heavy, the drag from the board is huge which makes the sail distort and feel heavy and overpowered even before you're planing.
Consider overfinning the board a bit too. Spend a lot of money on the best boom you can afford because you can't afford the distortion from the boom flexing. Quality racing equipment is your friend because it's designed to be sailed overpowered by heavy dudes.
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Old 13th May 2008, 08:43 PM   #14
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Hi Stephane,

I just faced the same question as you - I also needed to replace a Naish 8'11", and was choosing between the Futura 111, and the Futura 104.

I chose the 111.

My situation is a bit different though, because I weigh only ~73kg.

First, I love the Naish 8'11", it is a fantastic board for fast freeride sailing in flat to moderately bumpy/wavy conditions. I mostly used it with a 6.5, and occasionally a 5.7.

My problem with the Naish 8'11, is that, for a ~100 L board, it is very early-planing, especially when compared to newer boards.

I needed a board to fit between my Formula board/10.0 set up, and my 84 L wave board /5.6 setup. The Naish/6.5 was not early planing enough.

I decided I needed a board that could handle a 7.5, so I got the Futura 111. The board is a bit bigger than I had imagined it would be, and now I am guessing that the Futura 104 can also handle a 7.5 pretty easily, and maybe I should have gotten that.

Anyway, the Futura 111 feels _much_ bigger when sailing than the Naish 8'11". It planes much earlier than the 8'11, but isn't nearly as comfortable in chop (when powered up with a 6.5) as the 8'11". So far, I have only sailed the Futura 111 with a 6.5, and for me, that is the smallest sail I would ever use on it. When powered up on a 6.5, the board is pretty fast, but a bit bouncy. My guess is that with a 6.5, the Futura 104 would be faster. I think that where the 111 will really shine, is with a 7.5 or 8.0, and I hope to try it soon.

So, at least at my size, I think the Futura 111 is a board for 6.5 to 8.0, (maybe 8.5). It really is a much bigger board than the Naish 8'11", and is not a direct replacement. I would never sail the Futura 111 with a 6.0. On this website, Starboard claim a range of 5.0-8.0, but I don't think that is very realistic. I would be _totally_ out of control in my typical 5.0 conditions, which are quite bumpy/wavy. Again, 6.5 is absolutely the smallest sail I would put on the board.

I don't want to sound negative about the 111 - i think it is a great board - it is pretty fast, quite lively, and really rewards an "active" sailing style. Considering its size, it does quite well in chop - it tends to rise up and sail on top of the chop, rather than slamming into the chop. This means that with a little attention, you can go pretty fast in the chop.

The Futura 111 like wider gybes than the Naish 8'11", which can make quite sharp turns. But, the Futura stays on the plane during the gybe much better than the Naish.

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Old 14th May 2008, 01:14 PM   #15
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Thank you very much jgf for your comments about the F111.

The 8,11 is a great board for sure and the more I think about it the more I think that I will keep it for a while. For me it was fantastic from 5,5 to 6,5 when I was 110 Kg, but as you said, it can't handle bigger sails.

As far as I'm concerned I'll loose some weight before buying a new board. Then when I'm back to 110 kg I'll buy the F111 (for 6,5/7,5) or maybe the F122 (6,5 to 8,5) and keep the Naish for 4,5 to 6,5.

I think that the 101 is definitely to small for me
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Old 14th May 2008, 06:21 PM   #16
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Hi Stephane,

My problem with the Naish 8'11, is that, for a ~100 L board, it is very early-planing, especially when compared to newer boards.


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Whoops....

I meant to say that the Naish 8'11" is _NOT_ very early planing..., when compared with newer 100 litre boards!!!

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