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Old 6th January 2010, 09:20 PM   #11
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Remi and the rest of the Team,

If the stated volumes of the iSonics listed above by Remi are true, then all of the published volumes in the products section of the web page are incorrect (except for the 111).

Why do you continue to do this? Just publish the true volumes so the consumer doesn't have to guess, wonder or research the correct answer. I thought you had gotten past the "virtual volume" phase of your marketing.

Many of us around the world have to deal with highly variable winds or big lulls or wind shadows. Knowing what your board will do when the wind drops below 5 knots is important information. The difference of up to 9 liters ('09 122) between actual and real volumes makes a difference to many of us.

Model numbers and volumes don't have to match. Either list the actual volumes or change the model numbers, but don't keep misleading us.

I love your products, but I fail to understand why this issue continues to persist.
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Old 6th January 2010, 10:11 PM   #12
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iSonic 94 2009 : 92 l / 2010 : 91 l
iSonic 101 2009 : 97 l / 2010 : 100 l
iSonic 111 2009 : 110 l / 2010 : 111 l
iSonic 122 2009 : 113 l / 2010 : 118 l
iSonic 133 2009 : 127 l / 2010 : 129 l
iSonic 144 2009 : 137 l / 2010 : 137 l
Hi Remi.
Could you be so kind and publish the same table for the Futura, i.e 09 and 10 true volumes.
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Old 7th January 2010, 08:56 AM   #13
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Hi Ken,

I understand your point we plan for 2011 boards to make as close as possible, you have to understand that we have the real volume from Cobra after we name the boards with the estimate volume, but this will be correct.
Anyway the volume is definitely not the more important information to choose the board, you can have a very fat board who carry only small sails and the contrary. The information below will help you more to choose your boards.

iSonic 86 Slim : Sl4 30/5m / 32/5,4 / 32/5,8 / 34/6,2 / 34/6,5 / 34/6,8
iSonic 86 : Sl4 30/5m / 32/5,4 / 34/5,8 / 34/6,2 / 34/6,5 / 34/6,8 / 36/7,2
iSonic 94 : Sl4 32/5,4m / 34/5,8 / 34/6,2 / 34/6,5 / 34/6,8 / 36/7,2 / 36/7,5
iSonic 101 : Sl4 34/5,8m / 36/6,2 / 36/6,5 / 36/6,8 / 38/7,2 / 38/7,5 / 38/7,8 / 40/8,3 / 42/8,5
iSonic 111 : Sl4 36/6,2m / 36/6,5 / 36/6,8 / 38/7,2 / 40/7,5 / 40/7,8 / 42/8,3 / 44/8,5 / 44/8,8
iSonic 121 : Sl4 38/6,5m / 40/6,8 / 42/7,2 / 42/7,5 / 42/7,8 / 44/8,3 / 46/8,5 / 46/8,8 / 46/9
iSonic 131 : R16 42/6,8m / 44/7,2 / 44/7,5 / 46/7,8 / 48/8,3 / 48/8,5 / 50/8,8 / 50/9 / 52/9,8
iSonic 144 : R16 44/7,2m / 44/7,5 / 46/7,8 / 48/8,3 / 48/8,5 / 50/8,8 / 50/9 / 52/9,8 / 54/10,7
iSonic 150 : R13 48/7,5m / 50/7,8 / 52/8,3 / 52/8,5 / 54/8,8 / 54/9 / 56/9,8 / 56/10,7 / 58/11

Hope this help

All the best
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Old 7th January 2010, 09:16 AM   #14
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Hi Nicci,

Please found below the volume for the Futura 2009 and 2010 :

Futura 93 : 2009 94 ; 2010 94
Futura 101 : 2009 101 ; 2010 101
Futura 111 : 2009 111 ; 2010 111
Futura 122 : 2009 116 ; 2010 114
Futura 133 : 2009 130 ; 2010 131
Futura 141 : 2009 137 ; 2010 134
Futura 155 : 2009 161 ; 2010 161

Futura 93 with Overdrive 6 & 6,5 with C3 Venon 36
Futura 101 with Overdrive 6,5 & 7 with C3 Venon 38
Futura 111 with Overdrive 7 & 7,5 with C3 Venon 40
Futura 122 with Overdrive 7,5 & 8 with C3 Venon 42
Futura 133 with Overdrive 8 & 8,5 with C3 Venon 48
Futura 141 with the Overdrive 8,5 with C3 Venon 50
Futura 155 with the Overdrive 8,5 & 10 with C3 Venon 50

This kind of package will be very efficient for long distance race or
with similar sails.

For those who prefer to get more maneuverability and something light
in your hands but still want speed :

Futura 93 with NCX 6 & 6,5 with the production fin
Futura 101 with NCX 6,5 & 7 with production fin
Futura 111 with NCX 7 & 7,5 with the production fin
Futura 122 with NCX 7,5 & 8 with the production fin
Futura 133 with NCX 8 & 8,5 with the production fin
Futura 141 with NCX 8,5 & 9 with the production fin
Futura 155 with the NCX 9 with the production fin

Of course this is just recommendation, you can use what you want but
stay in the wind range for each board that you can found here :
http://www.star-board.com/2010/produ...ard_futura.php

All the best
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Old 7th January 2010, 09:28 PM   #15
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Remi,

I understand naming the boards with estimated volumes early in the development phase. I also understand that the actual volumes may vary from the early estimates. All we are asking for is for Starboard to update their web site so that the ACTUAL volume are published when they are known.

Please don't tell me -

"Anyway the volume is definitely not the more important information to choose the board"

When the board is not moving, volume, weight and width are the only important things to know. This doesn't apply to all windsurfers, but for some of us, we want to know the ACTUAL VOLUMES. If there is some logical reason Starboard can't supply the correct information other than on the forum, I am willing to listen to the explanation.

Thanks for your understanding.
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Old 8th January 2010, 02:22 AM   #16
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Hi Nicci,

Please found below the volume for the Futura 2009 and 2010 :

Futura 93 : 2009 94 ; 2010 94
Futura 101 : 2009 101 ; 2010 101
Futura 111 : 2009 111 ; 2010 111
Futura 122 : 2009 116 ; 2010 114
Futura 133 : 2009 130 ; 2010 131
Futura 141 : 2009 137 ; 2010 134
Futura 155 : 2009 161 ; 2010 161

Futura 93 with Overdrive 6 & 6,5 with C3 Venon 36
Futura 101 with Overdrive 6,5 & 7 with C3 Venon 38
Futura 111 with Overdrive 7 & 7,5 with C3 Venon 40
Futura 122 with Overdrive 7,5 & 8 with C3 Venon 42
Futura 133 with Overdrive 8 & 8,5 with C3 Venon 48
Futura 141 with the Overdrive 8,5 with C3 Venon 50
Futura 155 with the Overdrive 8,5 & 10 with C3 Venon 50

This kind of package will be very efficient for long distance race or
with similar sails.

For those who prefer to get more maneuverability and something light
in your hands but still want speed :

Futura 93 with NCX 6 & 6,5 with the production fin
Futura 101 with NCX 6,5 & 7 with production fin
Futura 111 with NCX 7 & 7,5 with the production fin
Futura 122 with NCX 7,5 & 8 with the production fin
Futura 133 with NCX 8 & 8,5 with the production fin
Futura 141 with NCX 8,5 & 9 with the production fin
Futura 155 with the NCX 9 with the production fin

Of course this is just recommendation, you can use what you want but
stay in the wind range for each board that you can found here :
http://www.star-board.com/2010/produ...ard_futura.php

All the best
Thx Remi!
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Old 8th January 2010, 12:07 PM   #17
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Hi Ken,

Understand your point and agree, I forward your request to the Marketing Team but can you explain me why you need the weight for non planning?

All the best
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Old 8th January 2010, 10:35 PM   #18
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Remi,

Board volume allows me to compare buoyancy against:

The combined weight of the board, rig and sailor.

This gives me a precise idea of how the board floats in light winds. Granted, a kilo difference in boards won't make much difference in the overall floatation, but we all want to know exact board weights as well as volumes when shopping for a new board.

Thanks for your response and hopefully the marketing team will get the message.
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