RioM versus JP Funster 180

21st May 2010, 07:39 AM

Hi All,
I am a begginer trying to make the transition from no planing to planing conditions. I can tack, jibe, use the harness. I do not waterstard, and do not use the foot straps, so no planing. I am somewhat familiar with a shortboard (Naish Kailua 160 ?).
I weigh 84kg (185 lbs) and I sail mostly in 8-12 knots. Sometimes the wind can be 15-20 knots.
This is my first board and I would like to have my kids use it (age 12 & 16).
Which board do you recommend? I was looking for RioM or a JP Funster180. Any other options?
Thank you!

http://www.jp-australia.com/2010/index.php?id=46

http://www.star-board.com/2010/products/board_rio.php

PG · 21st May 2010, 12:00 PM

With the typical wind being 8-12 knots you can not expect planing unless you have a good freeride/slalom board and a big rig of at least 8.5 m2. But even that will be challenging, especially before your skills have grown. Or then a Formula and a 11 m2 sail. But that also require skill to use well.

I think that you would benefit most from a Phantom 320. It is not a shortboard, and thus not as hip. But it actually is fun also when the wind isn't enough for planing. And it will in fact be just as fast when planing as a Rio or Funster. But of course, you need the same sailpower to plan...

Roger · 21st May 2010, 11:46 PM

Hi Novice,
I'd suggest the Rio M for the following reasons (vs. Phantom 320).
The Phantom 320 is only 70 cm wide, so the Rio M will actuall plane
somewht sooner.
The Rio M (at 80.5 wide) is a very good compromise between a really
wide beginner board (like a Start) and the narrower race boards like the
Phantom.
The additional width = stability for beginners.
I've sailed the Rio M's for 3 years now, and spend alot of time on them with small trainer sails when teaching.
They go well in lighter winds, and have very good glide as the Rio M is a pretty efficient hull shape.
I have found the Rio M to be perhaps the best "transition" board ever made.
It has width (for stability) it has length ( for good glide in light winds with small sails)
it has the EVA deck (great for beginners and especially for kids); it has a good width
so that it planes fairly early and rides like a big shortboard with the daggerboard up.
It probably won't win any light wind races against the Phantom 380/320, but it will not be far behind.
As soon as the wind gets up to 12 knots, but a 7.5-8.5 m2 rig on the Rio M and you will be fully planing pretty easily.
Many seem to confuse the new Rio M's with the older Start based super wide Rio's .
Hope this helps,
Roger

21st May 2010, 07:39 AM	#1
Novice2010 Guest Posts: n/a	RioM versus JP Funster 180 Hi All, I am a begginer trying to make the transition from no planing to planing conditions. I can tack, jibe, use the harness. I do not waterstard, and do not use the foot straps, so no planing. I am somewhat familiar with a shortboard (Naish Kailua 160 ?). I weigh 84kg (185 lbs) and I sail mostly in 8-12 knots. Sometimes the wind can be 15-20 knots. This is my first board and I would like to have my kids use it (age 12 & 16). Which board do you recommend? I was looking for RioM or a JP Funster180. Any other options? Thank you! http://www.jp-australia.com/2010/index.php?id=46 http://www.star-board.com/2010/products/board_rio.php

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21st May 2010, 12:00 PM	#2
PG Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 234	With the typical wind being 8-12 knots you can not expect planing unless you have a good freeride/slalom board and a big rig of at least 8.5 m2. But even that will be challenging, especially before your skills have grown. Or then a Formula and a 11 m2 sail. But that also require skill to use well. I think that you would benefit most from a Phantom 320. It is not a shortboard, and thus not as hip. But it actually is fun also when the wind isn't enough for planing. And it will in fact be just as fast when planing as a Rio or Funster. But of course, you need the same sailpower to plan...

21st May 2010, 11:46 PM	#3
Roger Dream Team - School Guru Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,060	Hi Novice, I'd suggest the Rio M for the following reasons (vs. Phantom 320). The Phantom 320 is only 70 cm wide, so the Rio M will actuall plane somewht sooner. The Rio M (at 80.5 wide) is a very good compromise between a really wide beginner board (like a Start) and the narrower race boards like the Phantom. The additional width = stability for beginners. I've sailed the Rio M's for 3 years now, and spend alot of time on them with small trainer sails when teaching. They go well in lighter winds, and have very good glide as the Rio M is a pretty efficient hull shape. I have found the Rio M to be perhaps the best "transition" board ever made. It has width (for stability) it has length ( for good glide in light winds with small sails) it has the EVA deck (great for beginners and especially for kids); it has a good width so that it planes fairly early and rides like a big shortboard with the daggerboard up. It probably won't win any light wind races against the Phantom 380/320, but it will not be far behind. As soon as the wind gets up to 12 knots, but a 7.5-8.5 m2 rig on the Rio M and you will be fully planing pretty easily. Many seem to confuse the new Rio M's with the older Start based super wide Rio's . Hope this helps, Roger