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Old 30th June 2010, 08:05 AM   #21
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thanks Maximus, I'll do it now and see how it goes...
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Old 6th July 2010, 06:50 AM   #22
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well, turns out i can't move the rear footstraps inboard, there are no screw holes.

But I had a great session yesterday anyway. I just have to get the back foot in first before the speed gets too high.

But all you HS fans out there, I have some dire news: Yesterday's session was in outstanding conditions. Smooth, strong (perfectly to slightly over powered on my 5.9m sail) wind. I started on the Carve 121 to assess the wind, then got the Hyper out of the van. The Carve had been flying at good speed (about 31knots) so I was hoping for something special once I got on the Hyper. Unfortunately I couldn't seem to make it scream. I had a few crashes but that was expected, getting used to the new board. It went fast, and smooth, and high, but even on my good runs it didn't seem to really fly. After half an hour I got back on the Carve for a comparison and it was instantly obvious I was going about 4 knots faster, and with better control.

I will not blame the Hyper for this, as it is surely a faster board, or people would have been winning slalom events on carves back then.

So what do people think caused my slowness? Unfamiliarity? Not enough volume for such a big lump of meat like me? The fin? (my carve has a beautiful 42cm c3 venom, the HS has 30cm dodgy looking drake fin that looks like the tip has been chopped off square, although I believe they came like this with the hypers...)
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Old 6th July 2010, 07:21 AM   #23
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Hi Ben, the original HS fin was a weird looking one, easy to use, but not to quick. The two stock HS fins were 34cm and 42cm (i think). Your venom will take the HS up a gear or two for sure. HS likes plent of downhaul two get it to fly. And it not to heavy on the back foot. Then you will be fast
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Old 6th July 2010, 08:15 AM   #24
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Hey Kiwiben

To answer your questions, I believe its a combination of all those things, unfamiliar, poor fin and tuning. Ideally when you get a new toy, best to aim for moderate conditions, where you can tune your gear. Volume isnt a problem

Fin

Mark is right about the stock fins, not that great, and the small one should have been 34cm, if its chopped down, it will be worse than the original. get yourself a venom 34 for your 5.9 to 7m sails.

Tuning

As the tail width of the hyper is significantly larger, you will need a higher boom (At least nipple height for you) & longer lines (26-30", adjust slightly backwards of where you would use for your carve, gets the rig more upright and away from you) to get the same sailing position as the carve. . A wider tail means you can also carry larger fins and sails. You can run a 8.6 comfortably on the hyper. Set your mast base on the centre position, downhaul your sail to max, control the power by adjusting your outhaul. Most likely if your using a 5.9 on your carve, odds are you could be using a 6.5+ on your hyper. (bigger tail requires more power, ie larger sail in same conditions)

Here is a guide as to what fin sail combos will work for you:

8.6/45-49
7.5/38-42
6.5/34-36
5.9/32-34

Personally I would be ringing its neck with the 2 larger sail sizes, before using the smaller ones. There is no reason why you cant do 31/32 knots off the wind with a 8.6 on it.
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Old 6th July 2010, 12:24 PM   #25
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That sounds awesome guys, I will do it all next session... thanks for your time and thought, much appreciated...

One question though... If my 5.9m was beautifully powered up, wouldn't a 7.5 have been overpowered? That is probably a dumb question... but I have been operating under the belief that sail size is governed purely by windspeed and adjusted for bodyweight. I got this belief from using James Douglass's sail calculator. If this is not the case then this is truly a useful revelation for me... thanks again
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Old 6th July 2010, 02:06 PM   #26
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Depends a lot on your sail types, I am commenting more on race or free race sails.
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Old 6th July 2010, 03:19 PM   #27
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Totally agree with Maximus that the HS will carry a good sized sail in strong conditions. Hyper though is a balancing act - need sufficient fin and sail to get it flying, but past a point when drag sets in with the sail / fin it is time to change down and go faster. Go down a fin size first then the sail if it seems you are hitting the wall too soon. Anyway that is this punters take on the HS - great sailing but as Maximus says likes to be tuned.
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