Stop building black boards!

gre26 · 17th October 2011, 03:53 AM

Hi,
I'd just like you to know I'm genuinely scared! I invested more than 2000 Euros on a lovely, sleek superlight Phantom 380 board and I am now horrified! No matter how good care I take of it (believe me, I am no teenager throwing it around), it seems to be willing to make a new hole very time I get it in the water! Plus, I can't leave it anywhere near a winter's sun, as the slightest sunray gets its dark grey body warming up pretty quickly and opening the valve makes a "TSCHHHHHH" sound that sounds pretty worrying. No delamination so far but I would definitely not mind 200 grams of extra weight if it was to be painted white. I wonder if insurance covers delamination. Apart from that, the board ROCKS!

KC2684 · 17th October 2011, 07:34 AM

I seem to be getting some distortion on the bottom of my 2011 (black) fantom 380. I have sent pictures to my dealer and am waiting for a response.
Some interesting notes:
When purchased, the board bottom was NOT uniformly grey, but had areas showing a black cross hatch about 2cm apart on a bias of about 45degrees. This was not over the entire bottom but in about 5 areas about 10cm wide and 50cm long. At the time the finish felt smooth over these areas.
after about 2 months of use in Ontario Canada, I noticed that I could feel the black pattern and it appeared very slightly raised. In one particular spot, there was a small "blister" forming.
I then contacted the dealer who agreed to send my photos to Starboard.
Do other owners have this black crosshatching?
Is this common? Is this a significant problem? What causes this to happen?

Please advise.
Barry

Pelegrin · 17th October 2011, 10:34 PM

I have a thread in the other forum about the grey paint falling of Isonic 127 2011. It is under the board where the black ruff surface is shown at about 30 x 1 cm. There is also signs of other crack in the paint.

This and the thing that I had a big all-over-nose-crack first day with the board do not make me so impressed of it!

20th October 2011, 10:21 PM

They will carry on building them whilst people carry on buying them !!!

Price of boards is getting crazy !!! Cut one open and just look what you are getting for your money !!!

A block of polystyrene with minimal Carbon /kevlar in it !!! Reckon we are being taken for a ride !!!

7 kg of material costing £1500 ????? Not bad return on that !!! Its all those sponsored sailors more than cost of materials !!!!

22nd October 2011, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

They will carry on building them whilst people carry on buying them !!!

Price of boards is getting crazy !!! Cut one open and just look what you are getting for your money !!!

A block of polystyrene with minimal Carbon /kevlar in it !!! Reckon we are being taken for a ride !!!

7 kg of material costing £1500 ????? Not bad return on that !!! Its all those sponsored sailors more than cost of materials !!!!

So- you'd rather not have any sponsored riders developing your brand's boards?

That sounds like a great plan!

23rd October 2011, 03:03 AM

Its very naive to think sponsored sailors have anything to do with board development !

Sponsored sailors job is to brain wash other sailors !!!

23rd October 2011, 11:03 PM

Saw a broken starboard other day . Was shocked to see the lack of material (except expanded foam) in it..

There were no stringers ; the bottom laminate was woefully thin... I really was shocked .

Was a kode 94 which I thought should have been a bit heavier built ???

Farlo · 24th October 2011, 11:38 PM

Wonder what is the real gain in brushing/sanding boards to let the outer layer show through the painting: 200 grams? Personally I find some models really ugly. I would also prefer at thicker, more resilient shell. I like a board to be light but when you make a ding each time you pull it out of the bag, well... it sucks. Maybe honeycomb sandwich will make its great return as carbon becomes unaffordable. My Fanatic Ultra Rat (108L) was ~8 kg naked and rock solid twenty years ago.

25th October 2011, 11:20 AM

And 20 years ago my Fanatic Ultra Rat snapped on it's first outing in chop

Looked nice though

Farlo · 25th October 2011, 02:03 PM

You must have been unlucky then, hope you got it exchanged under warranty. Mine was a 1992 model. I sailed it for about five years in choppy places like Leucate and made only one/two dings, easily repaired. I sold it because I was considering to quit windsurfing (but took over after a few months). Had also the Ultra Gecko 265, nice board too.

17th October 2011, 03:53 AM	#1
gre26 New Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 3	Stop building black boards! Hi, I'd just like you to know I'm genuinely scared! I invested more than 2000 Euros on a lovely, sleek superlight Phantom 380 board and I am now horrified! No matter how good care I take of it (believe me, I am no teenager throwing it around), it seems to be willing to make a new hole very time I get it in the water! Plus, I can't leave it anywhere near a winter's sun, as the slightest sunray gets its dark grey body warming up pretty quickly and opening the valve makes a "TSCHHHHHH" sound that sounds pretty worrying. No delamination so far but I would definitely not mind 200 grams of extra weight if it was to be painted white. I wonder if insurance covers delamination. Apart from that, the board ROCKS!

17th October 2011, 07:34 AM	#2
KC2684 New Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 2	Is the black Board causing this problem? I seem to be getting some distortion on the bottom of my 2011 (black) fantom 380. I have sent pictures to my dealer and am waiting for a response. Some interesting notes: When purchased, the board bottom was NOT uniformly grey, but had areas showing a black cross hatch about 2cm apart on a bias of about 45degrees. This was not over the entire bottom but in about 5 areas about 10cm wide and 50cm long. At the time the finish felt smooth over these areas. after about 2 months of use in Ontario Canada, I noticed that I could feel the black pattern and it appeared very slightly raised. In one particular spot, there was a small "blister" forming. I then contacted the dealer who agreed to send my photos to Starboard. Do other owners have this black crosshatching? Is this common? Is this a significant problem? What causes this to happen? Please advise. Barry

23rd October 2011, 11:03 PM	#7
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	Not much in boards ??? Saw a broken starboard other day . Was shocked to see the lack of material (except expanded foam) in it.. There were no stringers ; the bottom laminate was woefully thin... I really was shocked . Was a kode 94 which I thought should have been a bit heavier built ???

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17th October 2011, 10:34 PM	#3
Pelegrin Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 41	I have a thread in the other forum about the grey paint falling of Isonic 127 2011. It is under the board where the black ruff surface is shown at about 30 x 1 cm. There is also signs of other crack in the paint. This and the thing that I had a big all-over-nose-crack first day with the board do not make me so impressed of it!

20th October 2011, 10:21 PM	#4
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	They will carry on building them whilst people carry on buying them !!! Price of boards is getting crazy !!! Cut one open and just look what you are getting for your money !!! A block of polystyrene with minimal Carbon /kevlar in it !!! Reckon we are being taken for a ride !!! 7 kg of material costing £1500 ????? Not bad return on that !!! Its all those sponsored sailors more than cost of materials !!!!

23rd October 2011, 03:03 AM	#6
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	Its very naive to think sponsored sailors have anything to do with board development ! Sponsored sailors job is to brain wash other sailors !!!

24th October 2011, 11:38 PM	#8
Farlo Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 517	Wonder what is the real gain in brushing/sanding boards to let the outer layer show through the painting: 200 grams? Personally I find some models really ugly. I would also prefer at thicker, more resilient shell. I like a board to be light but when you make a ding each time you pull it out of the bag, well... it sucks. Maybe honeycomb sandwich will make its great return as carbon becomes unaffordable. My Fanatic Ultra Rat (108L) was ~8 kg naked and rock solid twenty years ago.

25th October 2011, 11:20 AM	#9
Unregistered Guest Posts: n/a	And 20 years ago my Fanatic Ultra Rat snapped on it's first outing in chop Looked nice though

25th October 2011, 02:03 PM	#10
Farlo Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 517	You must have been unlucky then, hope you got it exchanged under warranty. Mine was a 1992 model. I sailed it for about five years in choppy places like Leucate and made only one/two dings, easily repaired. I sold it because I was considering to quit windsurfing (but took over after a few months). Had also the Ultra Gecko 265, nice board too.