New Formula 167 Wide

bushfire.one · 29th August 2011, 07:40 PM

Wow - wide tail / parallel rails or what!!

Remi - what fins were working well in your testing and development?

raffig · 29th August 2011, 10:33 PM

90 cm tail? Nearly 10 cm more than the HWR!

Being both models "Ideal for medium riders", which one should I choose for my 77 Kg? Will the 167 wide be a bit of a handful in medium-stronger winds?

Thanks for sharing any feedback regarding your tests witht these boards.
Rafa

nonopr · 29th August 2011, 10:45 PM

I will take a chance and say that Z fins in the sizes of 76-6cm will work. Maybe a Kashy in the same size.

Remi · 29th August 2011, 11:36 PM

Hi All

If you go on my Facebook you will see other photos and the best fins for this board are Virus and Z Fins, no need anymore buy this Kashy crazy expensive fins to be very competitive. Now Formula Class can start to be bigger.

All the best

Remi · 29th August 2011, 11:38 PM

Hi Rafa

Both can be good for you, if in your place is more 6 to 20, go for the 167 Wide but if more like 18/35 go for the 167.
Have fun

All the best

TSAF · 30th August 2011, 12:40 AM

weight...?

Remi · 30th August 2011, 04:21 PM

Hi TSAF,

We are waiting for the average from Cobra but should be around 9.1 for this volume.

All the best

nonopr · 30th August 2011, 06:12 PM

Remi: if Formula class rules states that the hull shall be:
C.5.3 HULL WEIGHT
(a) The hull weight including footstraps and fin, without deckplate
and/or mastbase, shall be not less than 8.5kg.

Why starboard is not taking advantage the weight limit to make boards for Formula even lighter????
9.1 average like the past years is within range but that does not inclued the fin or straps. You guys can probably built a board that is about 7kg then add the fin about 1kg and then the straps about .5kg and you will be able to hit the class rules no problem.
What seems to be the problem with the weight??? durability? materials available?? a lighter board with stiffer material can make a big difference in 8-20 knots conditions.

Remi · 30th August 2011, 07:49 PM

Hi Nonopr

0.05 Kg/L is pretty good, we can make better of course but the board will be too much stiff and this is not good but also, Formula is already an expensive board. First not in Cobra and that will be really expensive.
Formula class don't need it and this shape will make a very good advantage for the next 2 years

All the best

nonopr · 30th August 2011, 08:06 PM

Did I understand right? This board will not be made at Cobra!! Wow.

Thanks for the answer.

29th August 2011, 07:40 PM	#1
bushfire.one New Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Wollongong, NSW, Australia Posts: 11	New Formula 167 Wide Wow - wide tail / parallel rails or what!! Remi - what fins were working well in your testing and development?

29th August 2011, 11:36 PM	#4
Remi STARBOARD DEVELOPMENT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,338	Hi All If you go on my Facebook you will see other photos and the best fins for this board are Virus and Z Fins, no need anymore buy this Kashy crazy expensive fins to be very competitive. Now Formula Class can start to be bigger. All the best __________________ Rémi Can answer if you have any questions on this following boards : Carve 111, 121, 131, 141, 151 & 161 Futura 93, 101, 111, 121, 131 & 141. iSonic 80, 87, 90, 97, 107, 110, 117, 127 & 137 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. UltraSonic 147 Formula Experience One Design Phantom Race 377/320 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Phantom 295 : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Formula 167 & 167 Wide : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Racing Serinity Cat Concept To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

29th August 2011, 11:38 PM	#5
Remi STARBOARD DEVELOPMENT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,338	Hi Rafa Both can be good for you, if in your place is more 6 to 20, go for the 167 Wide but if more like 18/35 go for the 167. Have fun All the best __________________ Rémi Can answer if you have any questions on this following boards : Carve 111, 121, 131, 141, 151 & 161 Futura 93, 101, 111, 121, 131 & 141. iSonic 80, 87, 90, 97, 107, 110, 117, 127 & 137 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. UltraSonic 147 Formula Experience One Design Phantom Race 377/320 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Phantom 295 : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Formula 167 & 167 Wide : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Racing Serinity Cat Concept To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

30th August 2011, 04:21 PM	#7
Remi STARBOARD DEVELOPMENT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,338	Hi TSAF, We are waiting for the average from Cobra but should be around 9.1 for this volume. All the best __________________ Rémi Can answer if you have any questions on this following boards : Carve 111, 121, 131, 141, 151 & 161 Futura 93, 101, 111, 121, 131 & 141. iSonic 80, 87, 90, 97, 107, 110, 117, 127 & 137 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. UltraSonic 147 Formula Experience One Design Phantom Race 377/320 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Phantom 295 : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Formula 167 & 167 Wide : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Racing Serinity Cat Concept To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

30th August 2011, 07:49 PM	#9
Remi STARBOARD DEVELOPMENT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,338	Hi Nonopr 0.05 Kg/L is pretty good, we can make better of course but the board will be too much stiff and this is not good but also, Formula is already an expensive board. First not in Cobra and that will be really expensive. Formula class don't need it and this shape will make a very good advantage for the next 2 years All the best __________________ Rémi Can answer if you have any questions on this following boards : Carve 111, 121, 131, 141, 151 & 161 Futura 93, 101, 111, 121, 131 & 141. iSonic 80, 87, 90, 97, 107, 110, 117, 127 & 137 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. UltraSonic 147 Formula Experience One Design Phantom Race 377/320 To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Phantom 295 : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Formula 167 & 167 Wide : To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Racing Serinity Cat Concept To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

29th August 2011, 10:33 PM	#2
raffig Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 49	90 cm tail? Nearly 10 cm more than the HWR! Being both models "Ideal for medium riders", which one should I choose for my 77 Kg? Will the 167 wide be a bit of a handful in medium-stronger winds? Thanks for sharing any feedback regarding your tests witht these boards. Rafa

29th August 2011, 10:45 PM	#3
nonopr Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico Posts: 572	I will take a chance and say that Z fins in the sizes of 76-6cm will work. Maybe a Kashy in the same size.

30th August 2011, 12:40 AM	#6
TSAF New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 16	weight...?

30th August 2011, 06:12 PM	#8
nonopr Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico Posts: 572	Remi: if Formula class rules states that the hull shall be: C.5.3 HULL WEIGHT (a) The hull weight including footstraps and fin, without deckplate and/or mastbase, shall be not less than 8.5kg. Why starboard is not taking advantage the weight limit to make boards for Formula even lighter???? 9.1 average like the past years is within range but that does not inclued the fin or straps. You guys can probably built a board that is about 7kg then add the fin about 1kg and then the straps about .5kg and you will be able to hit the class rules no problem. What seems to be the problem with the weight??? durability? materials available?? a lighter board with stiffer material can make a big difference in 8-20 knots conditions.

30th August 2011, 08:06 PM	#10
nonopr Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico Posts: 572	Did I understand right? This board will not be made at Cobra!! Wow. Thanks for the answer.

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