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Old 19th April 2007, 09:26 AM   #1
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Default R19 xtrasoft +8

I recently purchased a Debocheit R19 xsoft +8. For the 161. The stiffness xsoft seems just as stiff as my Medium and medium + fins. Is this correct or should I send the fin back. It certainly does not feel like an xtra soft fin under sail.

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Old 19th April 2007, 07:30 PM   #2
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Hi,

The stifness of my R19 S is the same as R13 hard. I also feel that fin is too stiff.

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Old 20th April 2007, 06:12 AM   #3
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Default RE: R19 xtrasoft +8

a bit science

try measuring the deflection of the fins

and post the results on the forum
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Old 20th April 2007, 08:57 AM   #4
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Hi Guest,

The stifness of a R13, R17 and R19 are different due the different shape. So each profil have is own stifness.

For exemple a R19 soft -- is close to the R13 soft.
R17 soft is soft as a R13 soft --

So the best stifness for the R19 is soft --.

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Old 21st April 2007, 03:24 AM   #5
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I also bought 2 R19 S-- rake 8+, a friend af me bought the same but S-. We measured the fins exectly at the same point with a load of 10Kg.
Results
All the R 19 S-- and S- 10.0 - 10,2 mm.
R 17 S rake 8+ 12,1 mm.
R 13 S rake 8+ 13,2 mm.
R 13 M rake 6+ 11,8 mm.
R 13 H rake 6+ 10.1 mm.
and the big difference: Kashy XS 20,8 mm.
So it doesn't matter wich fin you choose of Deboichet.
You don't get what you order. It is a mass produktion and only
pro's get what the ordered. in the last 3 years I bought about 8 formula fins and the R 19 was the last one.
A deboichet R 19 S-- and a Kashy XS more than 100% softer
Thats why they are 2 times more expensive, they are 100% better

regards from a frustrated customer

But I one a Kashy

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Old 21st April 2007, 08:20 AM   #6
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Default RE: R19 xtrasoft +8

Thanks for the feedback, regardless of deflection this fin is not soft and does not sail like my other soft fins. Very disapointed in Debochet, I think they need to improve production controls before I purchase another one.

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Old 21st April 2007, 10:36 PM   #7
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I have no reason to noe believe what you all state here about Deb stifness but the point is:
when Remi suggested s-- did he intented "common/large production or "un-common/real custom" one ?
From what I know at the moment no many people is part of Debo team so,maybe,Remi does use the first version and suggest just that.In this case thare's no problem for the mass but if it works in a different way: Huston we have a problem!!
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Old 22nd April 2007, 06:09 PM   #8
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dear friends,

Remis suggestion and tips for the f161 are very good. i tested all this thinks he wrote on the forum and the only i can say is "thanks Remis"

bbut deboichet i ordered two months ago 3 R19 S-- and i have no answer..

....i cancelled simply the order.....


best regards and have a nice day on the water

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Old 27th April 2007, 07:12 PM   #9
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Remis suggestion and tips works for me also very good. I bought 3 new Starboards this year and believe him in his advises. Manny thanks Remi. But about the Deboichet fins there is to manny difference in stifness with the same fin type.

Wenn you order a R 19 S-- rake 8 (2 pcs.) and measure them with a R 19 S rake 8, delevered 6 weeks earlier, it is strange that the last one
is the most soft of these fins. When you order a S-- you want a realy soft fin and not a fin wich is stiffer than a R 13 Medium.

Deboichet needs to know that when we order each year new formula fins. We do this because we want to get better and better. It should not matter wich fin type you choose H= Hard and M= Medium and S= Soft. The stifness should always be nearly the same. But not a S-- wich is stiffer than a Medium.

When Remi advices a fin and tested it, be shore he is right.
But do we get the same fin with the same stiffnes than Remi when we order the same fin.
Thats the big question. I think Remi and other pro's theyre fins are
realy soft and works well. This is what we also want when we order a S-- fin for Euro 300,00. As stiffer fin has a complete other performance than a softer fin.
But Deboichet don't want to have to manny breaking problems
So build them for normaly racers wo pay for the fins much stiffer and you have no problems. But you don't get what you expect.

Deboichet has his one measuring for rake the same they can do for stiffness/ flex and twist. Than you know what you get.

Remi and Oriana please your reactions,

Best regards

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Old 3rd May 2007, 04:02 PM   #10
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Default RE: R19 xtrasoft +8

Just thought it was worth bringing this back up as I believe a few people are interested in Deb's answer!!!

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