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Old 25th October 2007, 03:18 AM   #1
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After a course at the start of the year, I've been continuing to get on the water each week using hired beginner kit (about 175L, 6m2 sail). I'm at the point of looking for a new board and friendly advice has directed me towards looking at the Futura somewhere in the 144 range. However, as like many requests to these forums, I don't really understand how to choose the correct size. There appears to be too may factors or the differences are too subtle for me!

Where I usually sail is an inland lake where the conditions are normally calm to choppy. This quiet summer we've had has not seen the wind really go above 15 knots. I'm happily beach starting but not water starting yet. I'm using the harness, etc. My weight is 74kg. Being honest, over the next couple of years, most of the time will be spent sailing on flat water, with only the occasional use of the new board on waves. Maybe then my skills and bank manager (wife) will let me purchase a wave board.

Does the Futura 144 sound sensible, or maybe the 133/122, etc., or maybe something completely different?

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Old 25th October 2007, 06:29 PM   #2
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What sail range would you anticipate this new board to cover ? Seems like 15 kts is a typical max (?) but what about the other end of the scale, that will influence the volume/size/model quite a bit and ultimately the biiger you go in size/bootom end the more restricted you will be if/when the top end days come along.

One thing to have agood look at for 2008 is the new GO range, which takes in the very real advantage of using the new Futura shapes (directly) but with stronger construction and EVA deck - these things might not look so "pro" to some people, but in and advancing intermediate, the added durability can be a real advantage in some cases.

Usually, these GO boards maintain a really excellent resale rate too, so taking a mid term step on something like that on the way to the lighter construction in a season or so can be a good option.

Let us know a little more on the sail range and we'll suggest more accurately.

Cheers ~ Ian
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Old 25th October 2007, 08:10 PM   #3
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I've been using 5.5 and 6.5 sails as this is all I can currently borrow. The 6.5 was a new tushingham storm and a real dream to handle. I'm a little hamstrung in that I can only borrow the kit on a fixed evening each week and have to make do with the wind speed available. Hence a new board (and new sails - sorry advice request on sails to follow) would obviously allow me to be a little more discerning and avoid too light winds - I'm on the point of getting off and pushing in light breezes out of frustration. I think this is because on the higher wind evenings the adrenelin rush has kept me wanting to push my boundaries more.

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Old 27th October 2007, 12:46 AM   #4
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Here's my advice: Don't avoid light winds! If you do, you won't get out much. Instead, get a board that will be fast and fun in both light and strong winds; a longboard with a daggerboard.

If you can't afford a starboard Phantom 320 or 380, I would recommend you get an older longboard (like a mistral equipe) or a new Exocet Kona ONE. A 6.5 - 7.5 sail would be a good starter for a longboard, but longboards aren't so sensitive to sail size as shortboards, so it doesn't matter that much.

I warn you against just getting a shortboard. Even if it's an "early planer" like the GO or Futura and you get the big sails to match it, it still won't work in truly light winds like a longboard does.
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Old 29th October 2007, 05:15 PM   #5
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Or maybe try this Rio S , se other thread http://www.star-board.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2887
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Old 30th October 2007, 07:32 AM   #6
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I am a big fan of the Rio S (2008) having had the chance to sail one on the weekend. Myself and a bunch of wavesailing mates turned up at the beach just as a 20kt breeze died to 5to 15 kts. With one Rio S and a 12ft Sup we had no problems keeping ourselves entertained for the rest of the afternoon. We had 5.7s rigged and normally I would say that that is a bit small for a larger volume board in these conditions, the Rio however is a bit narrower that earlier versions and seems to be happy with this size sail. It also has a nice lively feel on the water catching the small 2 foot swell and accelerating quickly.

The last boards I have sailed at around this 76cm width were probably 2004 models and I thought this was quite a big improvement in performance. It seemed to handle the small shore-break easily and the extra weight generated by the centreboard was not noticeable while sailing.

The hardest thing for me to judge is how someone newer to the sport would find the board, everyone at the beach that day was pretty competent at early planing and gybing. I thought the heel gutters were super comfortable.

Definitely worth consideration though if the rest of the 2008 boards are as good as this then you will be spoilt for choice.
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Old 30th October 2007, 07:51 PM   #7
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The facts:
You are windsurfing on a lake in mostly light conditions. You are in an improver stage, and can benefit requally well from light wind and high wind training.

The Futura 133/144 are surely good boards, but only if there is enough wind for planing. If the wind is too light then they are real dogs.

It is hip and trendy to pick a board without a centerboard, but I do think it would be a mistake. Starboard has two ranges of boards with centerboards. The Rio has changed VERY significantly from 2007 to 2008. The new models are up to 15 cm narrower, and up to 35 cm longer. This means that they have much better glide in light winds than the older boards! If you pick a Rio, go for a m2008!
However, I do still think that you would benefit the most from a Phantom Race 320. It will make also lightwind days interesting thanks to a big dagger, offering more glide being longer and narrower. And it will be perfectly "Shortboardish" in higher winds! Or, alternatively, the Exocet KONA Style/ONE.
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Old 31st October 2007, 12:14 AM   #8
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I would have to disagree about small boards not being fun in light winds. They certainly add a challange for just schlogging, build up an excellent knowledge and a certain style that allows you to tack a 95 L board or smaller in underpowered conditions. I personally had a Go 139, but found it to be WAY too big for my 150ish pound frame. I purchased a 111 L hypersonic from the 2004 range. I found this to be a much better match to me. For one, I can get planing on a 7.6 naish redline in 12-13 knots with the bigger fin and some pumping. This smaller board really gets you relying on the SHAPE of the board compared to depending on just the volume to get you planing. Better technique and a better knowledge of tuning will get you having way more fun on a smaller, more responsive board

I would suggest the Go though. You don't want to be sailing a floating door, the Go handles big sails well especially with the excellent race fin that comes with it. Also, the resail vaule is high, just as someone before me said. I was able to litteraly trade my 2006 Go 139 for the hypersonic. The added bonus of the tough construction makes it bomb proof.

There is not going to be a baord for light wind and higher wind that meets each requirement. You ahve to comprimise and get something more like 120 to 130 L i think. Maybe the Go 139 would be a good choice for you. For progressing that is the best board I would say. When you are learning the straps, you are going to want to get something with a hard nose ;-)

If you are worried about not having fun in lighter winds, either get a bigger sail, or do what I do. Pay your dues and work on freestyle! Light wind jibes, tacks also do wonders for when the higher winds come in. Building muscle memory is key. I am not one of those big board people. Some people love the big kona boards, but if its not windy enough for a 7.6, I work on heli tacks, hass tacks, random sail flips and upwind 360's etc. way more fun than just going in strauight lines with a big huge baord

Hope this helps,


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