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Old 28th November 2007, 12:15 AM   #1
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rumour is filtered out that AUS-0 is using 160 to win races in Brazil.

i wonder why not 161 although he is not contracted to ride any star-board.


is 161 a step backwards ?
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Old 28th November 2007, 11:44 PM   #2
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I don't think Steve would switch to somthing that he hadn't tested and trained on before a race like the worlds.
I heard that there are some f2 riders that are also ride'n there 06 f2 instead of there 07 f2s.
I think the reason for this is the performace in light vs. heavy conditions. Most 06 boards had narrow tail widths.
These were good in heavy conditions but suffered some in light air race'n. Then in 07 everyone added 3 or 4 cm to the tail. This helped in the light air, but gave up some performace in the heavy stuff.

A plateau in formula board development was, i think, around 2005. After that any changes that were made took away performace in one area to enhance another.

I race FW with two boards. A bic 1.4 for the events that will be held in winds that will drop below 10knots, and the 06 f2 for events where the wind min is not expected to go below 10knots.
It works good for me. The 1.4 is much faster in the light stuff than anything out today. But if the wind picks up I'm at a disadvantage.

Today FW is almost a one design class. use'n and knowing how to use the stuff is part of the race.
I think any FW board from 2001 to 2008 can be competive.

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Old 29th November 2007, 03:27 AM   #3
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I think it is true that Steve AUS-0 was using a 160 for the reasons that windstock explained. The higher performance was always there for the taking, but as pre-2007 boards had to cover 7 to 30 knots, so light and high wind performance was needed. Now that the PWA has replaced Formula with Slalom 42 (36 for 2008). This is a good thing as Formula can consintrate on "true light wind" performance (no more hanging onto a barn door in 30k winds for valuable world cup points). Seems like all the manufactures have now gone super wide tails & rockers that are light wind biased.
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Old 29th November 2007, 05:14 PM   #4
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Not exactly correct.

Steve has been racing on the 160 since April. If you remember back, he used an F2 FX V at the Europeans in Spain, but talking to him after that event he wasn't happy with how the F2 was stalling slightly in super light winds when pumping back onto the plane from a tack. So the week after he tried out the 161 in the Euro-Cup, Portimao. Despite winning nearly all the races (not the biggest fleet at that event), his comments were that he'd "never sail the 161 again". lol.

Testing it against the 161 he believed the 160 was faster in windy conditions. Not that we get windy conditions at any event in Europe these days, but Steve's goal has always been the Worlds in Brazil. So I think he opted to get the 160 dialled all season to be ready for the Worlds.

The jury is out on which board is faster. Personally, I'm very happy with my 161, and I did a lot of testing against my 160 to be sure. Steve told me he thought the nose on the 161 was too sharp at the corners, and would catch on the waves downwind. He also thought the 160's nose was too thick and blunt, also catching waves downwind (which is why Fanatic boards always had thin noses, and no doubt we'll see a thinner nose on the new Gaastra FW board), but it wasn't as bad as the 161.

The general consensus I felt in Europe, was that the 161 was great if you could find a fin to get it to work. The 160 would work with nearly any fin. The 161 is not a bad board, I just felt it took a lot more to get the best out of it than the 160 did. That's ok, I like the challenge, and I will continue to use my 161 this season...

The problem is finding the right fin for it. Its all good to say that an R19 S-- is the best fin, but I tried about 5 of them and only found one that I liked. The flex characteristics of the Kashy and new Select fins better suit the 161 and I think you'll find the top guys on it in Brazil are all using Kashy's (Steve used a Kashy most of the season btw), like Vesterstrom / Schurmann etc. But if you haven't got $1250 to spend don't worry, there's new Deb's with Kashy-like outlines in Brazil, so no doubt they will be on the market again next year at a "normal" price

Anyhow, there's plenty of guys using FX IV's in Brazil (Dennis Littel is on an F2 2005 board I believe?) so its not only Starboard. Its a good thing for Formula, and will go hand in hand with the new 2-year locked boards rule, as new people coming into the sport don't have to buy the latest boards to be competitive. Its helping us here in Australia and we're already getting the numbers up to +40 FW guys in our local events in Sydney.

* Mark H: What's wrong with high-wind formula? Pretty much everyone I know on the tour likes high-wind FW. Brazil, was the most highly anticipated event this year simply because everyone knew it was going to be windy there!

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Old 29th November 2007, 09:42 PM   #5
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Hey sean, absolutly nothings wrong with high wind formula, can be exciting, done it myself on loads of occassions. What I was trying to say was: As Slalom format has replaced formula on the PWA, manufactures seem to making there formula board shapes biased towards light winds, and not the "all-round, any wind strength" board shape of pre-2006.
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Old 1st December 2007, 09:25 PM   #6
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Althought I've succefully used my 161 all over the season (and almost in any wind) I have to say that some guy here has felt that (hypothetical) better high wind attitude of 160 or that "user-friendly" personality.
But when you're not one of PROS your credit about these arguments is limited and you go on thinking about you're not as good as the new board is!
When,later in the season,you discover your sensations were close to the ones many people out there has you feel happy....
Right now,after 10 manches, Antoine (161) is first,Steve (160) second,Aarnon (160) fourth,Juju (161) fifth,Paulao (161) sixth,Jesper (161) seventh,Fabio (160) eight,Wojtek (160) nineth,Michal (160) tenth.
If we read deeper we could say that 160,in Fortaleza condition,suits fine for many guys as 161 does.In my opinion ranking would be quite similar if they would used 161.Problem is that they aren't able to beat A2 in any stuff they sail!
What really impress me is that massive presence of Starboard in top 10 and the attitude to release always top products able to perform at the top also after couple of seasons!
I'm really interested in Remi or Ian opinion about this argument....
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Old 2nd December 2007, 02:06 PM   #7
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From the pics, it seems like Woitek is on a 161
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Old 3rd December 2007, 10:55 PM   #8
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Check these videos out.
http://www.formulawindsurfing.org/news.php?id=1340
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Old 4th December 2007, 01:00 AM   #9
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Formula Windsurfing World results



FRA192 Antoine Albeau Starboard 161 NP RS 12.5 NP RS 11.8 NP RS 10.7 Deboichet 70

AUS0 Steve Allen Starboard 160 Gaastra 12.0 Gaastra 11.0 Gaastra 10.0 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70

ARG3 Gonzalo Costa Hoevel F2 FXV NP RS 11.8 NP RS 10.7 NP RS 9.8 Kashy 70 Kashy 70 Kashy 67

ISR1 Arnon Dagan Starboard 160 NP RS 11.8 NP RS 10.7 NP RS6 10.7 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70

BRA3333 Paulo Dos Reis Starboard 161 Severne 11.6 Severne 11.0 Severne 10.0 Kashy 70 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 68

POL10 Wojtek Brzozowsk Starboard 161 NP RS 12.5 NP RS 10.7 Severne 9.0 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70

FRA421 Julien Quentel Starboard 161 NP RS 11.8 NP RS 10.7 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70

POL16 Michael Polanowski Starboard 160 NP RS 11.8 NP RS6 10.7 NP RS6 9.8 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70

DEN111 Jesper Vesterstrom Starboard 161 NP RS 11.8 NP RS 10.7 NP RS 9.8 Kashy 70 Kashy 70 Kashy 67

BRA74 Fabio Melo Starboard 160 Gaastra 12.0 Gaastra 11.0 Gaastra 10.0 Kashy 70 Kashy 70 Kashy 67

BRA999 Wilhelm Schurmann Starboard 161 NP RS 11.8 NP RS 10.7 NP RS 9.8 Kashy 70 Kashy 70 Kashy 67

POL16 Michael Polanowski Starboard 160 NP RS 11.8 NP RS6 10.7 NP RS6 9.8 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70

BRA2497 Victor Melo Starboard 161 Gaastra 12.0 Gaastra 11.0 Gaastra 10.0 Kashy 70 Kashy 70 Kashy 70

BRA50 Gabriel Browne F2 FX IV North 11.9 North 11.0 North 10.0 Kashy 70 Kashy 70 Kashy 68

POL25 Hubert Mokrzycki Starboard 160 Gaastra 12.0 Gaastra 11.0 Gaastra 10.0 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70 Kashy 70
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Old 4th December 2007, 01:03 AM   #10
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Formula World results in light weight (under 75kgs)



BRA999 Wilhelm Schurmann Starboard 161 NP RS 11.8 NP RS 10.7 NP RS 9.8 Kashy 70 Kashy 70 Kashy 67

POR5 Miguel Martinho Starboard 161 NP RS 10.7 NP RS 9.8 NP RS 9.0 Deboichet 70

POL320 Lukas Konieczny Starboard 160 NP RS 10.7 NP RS 9.8 NP RS 8.4 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70


POL1 Leszek Rutkowski Starboard 161 Maui TR3 11.0 NP RS 10.7 NP RS6 9.8 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70

POR78 Bruno Bertolo Starboard 159 NP 10.7 NP 9.8 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 68

ESP16 Pablo Ania Starboard 161 Severne 11.0 Severne 10.0 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 68

BRA15 Elizeu Vieira Starboard 161 Severne 11.0 Severne 10.0 Kashy 70 Kashy 70 Kashy 70

FRA105 Aurelien Le Metayr Starboard 161 NP RS 10.7 NP RS 9.8 NP RS6 9.0 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70 Deboichet 70

BRA771 Nelson Oliveira Starboard 160 NP RS 10.7 NP RS 9.8 Kashy 70 Kashy 70 Kashy 68

USA4 Steve Bodner Mikes Lab L7 North 11.9 North 11.0 North 10.0 Kashy 70 Kashy 70 Kashy 68


Etc http://www.formulawindsurfing.org/fi...ightweight.pdf
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