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Old 25th October 2009, 03:41 AM   #1
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Default Formula Question - for a heavyweight

newbie to the SB Formula world here...

boards seem to have been around since 1999 and tails are getting wider and boards getting shorter

for someone with about 100 kg/220 lbs I imagine the Formula board I could look at would be 158 to 162 ??
no way i could purchase new and even one to 2 year olds are close to $1200

most of these have some dings, but no issue to me

any suggestions ?

est-ce que je devrais poser la même question dans la section francais ?
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Old 25th October 2009, 04:59 AM   #2
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Hi Joe,

At 100 kg in second hand, better to try to found a 161 or 162.

hope this help

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Old 27th October 2009, 04:24 AM   #3
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Default what about Formula 160 + and FW 160 ?

merci Rémi !!

if one puts the same race sail - fully cammed 10.0 on both a FW 160 about 80 cm wide and compare it to a Formula 162 , what would be the benefits of one over the other ?

i already have the FW160 and am looking at a race 10.0, but also wonder about Formula - yes, can handle BIG sails, but what about the same sail ??

merci en avance ...
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Old 27th October 2009, 08:20 AM   #4
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Hi Joachim,

The F 160 is 100cm wide as the F 161 & 162, you just plane earlier on the F 161 & 162 for the same 10m² due to the wide at 30cm who is bigger.

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Old 27th October 2009, 05:16 PM   #5
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thx again ...
my FW 160 is an AHD FF 79 cm wide board
the SB F162 will plane how much sooner than the AHD ?
just wondering if i am going to spend $1000+ for little benefit ?
someone on another forum says i could gain about 4 knots ie plane in about 8 knots rather than 12 !!

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Old 28th October 2009, 01:14 AM   #6
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A lot earlier............. I'm 100 kg, I have the F161 + 10m sail I'm planning at 7 -8 knots with good pumping ( and gaastra sail), for sure other sails plane earlier than my gaastra.
Then I can hold the same sail up to 22 steady knots, over this..... chicken strap to the beach.

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Old 28th October 2009, 03:39 PM   #7
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Hi Joachim,

Comapare to 80cm wide board, of course big difference, Michel is fully right.

Have fun

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Old 28th October 2009, 05:22 PM   #8
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Default what about chop and front lift

sounds GREAT !!

one more question, if you permit ...
if U use a F161 with a 10+ sail in 20+ knots don't chop and front lift create issues ?

i have seen vids on U-tube where the F board lifts dramatically !!

thx again
u guys r a real help !!!
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Old 28th October 2009, 09:41 PM   #9
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Joe,

At 100 kg, you should be able to keep the board on the water with a 10.0 and 20-25 knots. It may take some dedicated practice in windy conditions to feel comfortable, but it can work.

I am an amateur, but I have raced with many top pros in 25 to 30 knots, 1.5 meter chop with most using 9-10 m sails. Most of the sailors were in the 85 - 90 kg range, so it's doable. I can't handle sails that large in those conditions, but I also don't practice on my formula board when it gets that windy. I weight 79 kg.

The most important issue in order to keep your board on the water is to keep the power on in the gusts, especially on a beam reach or upwind. If you "chicken out" and sheet out the sail, the pressure comes off the mast foot and the board can take off. I have sent the nose of my board straight up 2+ meters on a couple of occasions when I backed off on the power. The same thing can happen if you are on a fast downwind run and you chicken out and begin to head off to a beam reach.

It will be exciting, enjoy your formula experience.
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Old 2nd November 2009, 05:07 PM   #10
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as i analyze the formula, i came across a W/S mag article about Antoine Albeau, who is also about 100 kg

he uses an iSonic 133 with a 9.8 sail in winds where others use Formulas. now i am NOT saying i can follow in Antoine's footstraps, but it begs the question

to go from a FW/free wide 160 to next board, is one better off with a 10.0 and Formula or racy 135 liter board - for a heavyweight that is ....

me thinks there is no simple answer

another reason i ask the question, is one fellow finds too much overlap with his formula and his FW 160 and is selling the FW. since i have the FW 160, should i get a formula or racy 135 ?
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